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Gavin

Gavin Report 30 Dec 2012 22:36

Chris

The baptism you posted mentioned the father as being Thomas and the mother being Matilda....
I have no reference to George's mother so it looked a possibility and was the right year.
However, on George's marriage certificate to Violetta, he names his father as Henry John White.... not Thomas.
:-(

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Dec 2012 22:35

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

(above link for searching, your'e just in luck with 1837)

Chris :)

1871
WHITE, Harriet Head F 59 1812 Yorkshire
WHITE, Ellen Daughter F 19 1852 Yorkshire
WHITE, Thomas Son M 29 1842 Yorkshire
WHITE, Anne Daughter-In-Law F 32 1839 Isle of Man
Piece: 4668
Folio: 158
Page: 26
Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Civil Parish: Ecclesall
Municipal Borough: Sheffield
Address: Egerton Street, Ecclesall, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire

1861
WHITE, Thomas Head Married M 51 1810 Boot And Shoe Maker
Sheffield
WHITE, Harriett Wife Married F 49 1812 House Wife
Sheffield
WHITE, Thomas Son Unmarried M 19 1842 Cordwainer
Sheffield
WHITE, John Son Unmarried M 16 1845 Chandler J C
Sheffield
WHITE, Henry Son Unmarried M 12 1849 Cordwainer
Sheffield
WHITE, Ellen Daughter Unmarried F 9 1852 Scholar
Sheffield
GREEN, Jacob Visitor Unmarried M 22 1839 Cordwainer
Norwich, Norfolk
Piece: 3490
Folio: 46
Page: 31
Registration District: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Municipal Borough: Sheffield
Address: Broad Street, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Gavin

Gavin Report 30 Dec 2012 22:23

Chris

Were there marriage certs back then? or just names noted in book?

cheers

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Dec 2012 22:18

Marriages Dec 1837 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------
GARRATT Harriot Sheffield 22 417
WHITE Thomas Sheffield 22 417

(would be above)

Chris :)

(so Birth Cert. for George Henry needed, would think Dec. Qtr. one, might fit with Baptism posted earlier?)

Gavin

Gavin Report 30 Dec 2012 21:17

I have a note from another relative stating the following information.... again he assumes this is the right line to be tracing;

George Henry White was born in 1872 in Carlisle Street, Sheffield.
Died 04th October 1925 in Wallsend (49 Thomas Street West)

I have no proof of this though

Gavin

Gavin Report 30 Dec 2012 21:03

Chris, that is certainly the list of names and dates I have... you have given me exact dobs and baptisms... perfect... I hope the baptism route will yeild something further forward...

oh and I had Harriet's maiden name as Garratt?? Though I had her spelt as Harriot

Gavin

Gavin Report 30 Dec 2012 20:51

Chris

That is the line I was following having assumed that George Henry White is a son of Henry John White. Descendant of Thomas and Harriet as per your information.... I just need proof.... somehow.
The information is there... its just tying it up with evidence that it is truly my line.
Without certs I cant be sure... and thus far I have had no joy with certs.

Gavin

Gavin Report 30 Dec 2012 20:45

Flip

Marriage dates;

James frederick White - Dorothy Winifred White (same name.. nightmare) - married on 18th Dec 1948, Entry 166, Parish Church, Billingham, SE Durham.

George Henry White - Annie Walton - Married on 25th July 1942, Entry 205, St John the Evangelist Parish Church, Darlington.

other 2 I dont have

Gavin

Gavin Report 30 Dec 2012 20:37

Flip

My previous reply lists the marriages for each of the 4 brothers and whose named their father accordingly.

I have birth certs for;
James Frederick White - 22 Feb 1915 (Entry 162, book 95 - Wallsend, Tynemouth)
George Henry White - 26 Aug 1912 (Entry 322, book 88 - Wallsend, Tynemouth)

The other 2 brothers information has been gained from living relatives (Son and Daughter)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Dec 2012 20:34

Baptisms
Day:20
Month:Apr
Year:1842
Surname:White
Forename:Thomas
Father:Thomas
Mother:Harriet
Occupation:Shoe Mr
Abode:Sheffield
Birth day:13
Birth month:Mar
Birth year:1842
Church:Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
Place:Sheffield
County:Yorkshire

Day:27
Month:Dec
Year:1846
Surname:White
Forename:John
Father:Thomas
Mother:Harriet
Occupation:Shoe Mr
Abode:Sheffield
Birth day:13
Birth month:Apr
Birth year:1845
Church:Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
Place:Sheffield
County:Yorkshire

Day:18
Month:Jun
Year:1848
Surname:White
Forename:Henry
Father:Thomas
Mother:Harriet
Occupation:Shoe Mr
Abode:Sheffield
Birth day:1
Birth month:May
Birth year:1848
Church:Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
Place:Sheffield
County:Yorkshire
Record source:Sheffield Baptisms

Day:24
Month:Aug
Year:1851
Surname:White
Forename:Ellen
Father:Thomas
Mother:Harriet
Occupation:Shoe Mr
Abode:Sheffield
Birth day:23
Birth month:Jul
Birth year:1851
Church:Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
Place:Sheffield
County:Yorkshire


(not sure if relating, Thomas, Shoemaker!)

Chris :)

1851
WHITE, Thomas Head Married M 41 1810 Cord Wainer
Sheffield
WHITE, Harriet Wife F 39 1812
Sheffield
WHITE, Thomas Son M 8 1843
Sheffield
WHITE, John Son M 5 1846 Scholar
Sheffield
WHITE, Henry M 2 1849
Sheffield
MOORE, William Unmarried M 17 1834 Cord Wainers Apprentice
Sheffield
PENISTONE, Alfred Visitor Unmarried M 23 1828 Steel Melten
Wickersley, Yorkshire
PENISTONE, Francis Visitor Married M 30 1821 Carter
Wickersley, Yorkshire
PENISTONE, Loyd Visitor Married M 32 1819
Sheffield
PENISTONE, Ann Visitor F 5 1846
Sheffield
PENISTONE, Frances Visitor F 3 1848
Sheffield
PENISTONE, Alfred M 2 1849
Wickersley, Yorkshire
PENISTONE, Charlotte F 0 (9 MOS) 1851
Wickersley, Yorkshire
Piece: 2341
Folio: 62
Page: 51
Registration District: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Municipal Borough: Sheffield
Address: Broad Street, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Flip

Flip Report 30 Dec 2012 20:19

Another thought, do you actually have the birth certificates for the 4 brothers or have you relied on their death registrations for their birth dates?

And, as I asked before, which marriages state George Henry as father and which state the other name? (sorry, getting old I think you said George John?)

The normal channels of research have produced great results, but you now need to try to get into the heads of your ancestors to get any further!

edit: guess we crossed again - sorry don't type too fast these days.

Strange I really expected the later children to get the name different. Could you post years of marriage against them please? It just saves my old fingers!

Gavin

Gavin Report 30 Dec 2012 20:17

Flip

Hope this isnt confusing as one of my grandads brothers is also named George Henry White...

James Frederick White - lists his father as George Henry White
George Henry White - Lists his father as George William White
Charles William White - Lists his father as George Henry White
Albert White - Lists his father as George William White according to a relative - I have not seen his marriage cert (married Ivy Holyome, not sure of year but it was pre 1947)
Albert was born 01/04/1919 in Wallsend, died 15/01/1981 in Southampton
Ivy was born 11/08/1921 in Hackney, died 28/09/2006 in Andover, Hampshire (information from their daughter Brenda White)


When the junior George got married in 1942, his father (George William) is listed as deceased on the cert.

Flip

Flip Report 30 Dec 2012 19:54

Cheapest place is the GRO website posted by Gins. If you have the children's birth certificates you should have their 1919 address so this may also confirm or throw out the death.

Incidently, which of the children's marriages recorded their fathers as different? It's just if he did die when they were fairly young memories play tricks - which could be the same for their mother. I was recently asked my first husband's name - which I knew, but couldn't remember his middle name without looking for our marriage! ;-)

But then again, I must be getting old :-D

Gavin

Gavin Report 30 Dec 2012 19:52

Flip

I have Georges place of death as;

49 St Thomas Street West, Northumberland

Regards

Gavin

Gavin Report 30 Dec 2012 19:50

Gins

Are the 2 you are refering too;

9c 372
9c 384

If so, these are the 2 I have already investigated and they showed no information relating to parents. So I didnt bother paying for them to be released (the staff checked into it for me)

Gins

Gins Report 30 Dec 2012 19:46

Gavin

Broad Street Sheffield Park, should come under 'Sheffield' as opposed to 'Ecclesall B'

So you have two records (Birth) to send for



For BMD records in Eng?Wales

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Gavin

Gavin Report 30 Dec 2012 19:44

Thanks Flip. Which office do I contact to quote that reference too?

Flip

Flip Report 30 Dec 2012 19:41

Don't rely on a relatives tree, it may be worth getting the 1925 death certificate to see who registered the death (hopefully Violetta) which should proove whether it is him.

Deaths Dec 1925 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WHITE George H 53 Tynemouth 10b 240

Gavin

Gavin Report 30 Dec 2012 19:39

Chris

Thank you. Not sure if your second item is feasable as the one I am looking for would have lived to become a father....
The first one could open a new line of investigation. Will wait to see the current line out though

Thank you

Flip

Flip Report 30 Dec 2012 19:35

Gavin do you know when George (ggf) died and could you confirm that the 1955 death for Violetta is right? Any idea of the year or do you already have his death certificate?

Also, do you know if he served in WW1?

I think our posts crossed, yes I have already seen that death in Tyneside reg district for 1925 - again no probate to check it out.