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Flip

I have Violetta's death cert. She died on 05th June 1955 at Cotswold Cresent, Billingham (mt grandparents lived there and I visited often as a child)
She was a widow when she died, she was living with my grandparents and my father (who was a child) at the time of her death.
I am unsure of when George died but have a reference to 1925 on a relatives tree... but nothing supporting it.

Hope that helps

Baptism (Find My Past website)
Day:29
Month:Dec
Year:1872
Surname:White
Forename:George Henry
Father:Thomas
Mother:Matilda
Occupation:Sheep Shear Forger
Abode:Portobello Street
Birth day:15
Birth month:Oct
Birth year:1872
Church:Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
Place:Sheffield
County:Yorkshire
Comments:
Record source:Sheffield Baptisms
Data provider:Sheffield & District Family History Society

Burial
First name(s): George Henry
Last name: WHITE
Date of burial 4 May 1873
Age at death: 15 Months
Calculated year of birth: 1872
Place of burial Sheffield
Dedication: St Mary
County: Yorkshire (West Riding)
Sheffield St Mary:
Denomination: Anglican
Coverage 1830 - 1938
Number of entries: 27,118
Record source: National Burial Index
Data provider: Sheffield & District Family History Society

(not sure if above fits with anything)

Chris :)

(runs orf'', before Gins gives me a thick ear, lol)

I used the Register Office in Town Hall, Pinstone Street.

I believe George was born in Ecclesaw..... assuming I am tracking the right one.

Possible link thanks to Gins.

I have searched Thomas White on the link you provided to SheffieldIndexers.

Thomas is listed in the 1846 Slaters directory as being resident at 69 Broad Street, Sheffield.
In the 1861 census he is also there aged 51 and listed as a Boot & Shoe Maker (my grandfather told me that was the family trade in past years... I even inherited some of the equipment passed down)
Of the sons listed in the 1861 census there is a Henry White, aged 12.

Could this be Henry John White? The father of the elusive George Henry White / George William White??

Gavin

Have you gone to the records office on John St, Sheffield, or the register office?

You need to consider those births that I posted. Depends 'where' in Sheffield he was born, do you know?

Do you know when your great grandfather died - I see Violetta died in Durham in 1955, but unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a probate record to see if she was already a widow.

rootgatherer, that is what the registry office suggested too.

So I am also keen to see if there is anyting from a generation back to link forward...
Henry John having George Henry..... anything with evidence.

I am not sure how this all works, hence I am throwing as much as I can to all of you lovely people in the hope someone has something concrete.

It is my paternal line you see... my family name and at present I cant get beyond my grandfather with any certainty of real name.
All these find my past and who do you think you are programmes seem to go way back....

It is always possible that his birth wasn't registered as, I believe, there was no penalty for not registering a birth in England prior to the mid 1870s.

Have to go off just now Gavin but I will come back to it in the morning - in the meanwhile, Ginns and the others will help.................

You will get there !!!

Dea Xxx

Gins, you were a contributor to my original thread almost a year ago... thank you.
It was you that led me to go directly to the registry office in Sheffield.
But as you can see I am still stuck with this one...
I may need prefessional help, like on the tv where someone does all the leg work.. ha ha

Dea

The link you added shows a reply from Ivy where she start the theory of George Henry White being taken in by his uncle Thomas in Hull..... thats where the possibility of the name change comes from, he may have been born Geaorge William and taken Henry following his fathers death....
Or he may just have been born Gearge Henry......
But then why would 2 of his sons refer to him as George William on their marriage certs? Whilst another 2 refer to him as George Henry?

This is a nightmare with no evidence either way

Thanks for coming in Ginns. ;-)

Dea Xxx

Gavin

Have a look through these records. Best put the surname only when you search as the site does have problems searching 'full' names


http://www.sheffieldindexers.com/

No probs - we all have to learn but please do not delete any threads - all the info on them has been painstakingly found and it will save others from duplicating the research if we can have access to it !

Always try to keep to one thread on the same close family members.

If you have by accident, or inexperience ( <3) started a new one - just please post a link to the original.

Dea xxx

Dea and everyone else, I apologise for the multiple threads.
Not familiar with how this works properly... I thought it was easier to narrow the search with a new thread... sorry.

Gavin. please DO NOT delete the other threads.

Dea was asking you to put a link to them to enable us to read what has already been found so we don't look for it again!

Flip, never been any question of the brothers not being brothers. As a child I knew my grandfather and his brother George and have family photos with Albert and Charles included, along with living relatives.

Gavin - NEVER delete your old threads !!! - The information on there is invaluable to us and probably to you too if you want to delve further into your family.

It saves us all having to waste time finding all the info which has already been found and so makes it quicker for us to work forward for you.

Dea xxx

Dea, how do I delete my old threads? Cant find it on the help page.

Mel... a possibility but not one I have any evidence of. Most of my family have only one middle name, others have none.

Gins, no, i went to Sheffield registry office and said I would pay for any linked to Henry John... but after they checked they couldnt link any and there were a few George Henry Whites and a few George William Whites. Apparently back then they didnt annotate the mother or fathers names... so the cert wouldnt prove anything really.

Rootgatherer, thank you. I have the Horne line sorted. Appreciated though.

How sure are you that all 4 children belong to the same marriage. There is another marriage between White & Horne:

George William White
Birth Year: abt 1867
Age: 34
Marriage or Bann Date: 1 Jul 1901
Parish: Denby, St John the Evangelist
Father's Name: Charles White
Spouse's Name: Janet Horne
Spouse's Father's Name: George Horne

Sorry, I should have added this is from West Yorkshire records