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Jean
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31 Dec 2012 14:24 |
Charles Vallance 1844 m iddx. Musical instrument maker and harpist. trying to find birth and parents. I have info on his children but nothing on his siblings or parents, know that his father was also instrument .Fathers name Charles Vallance
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Gee
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31 Dec 2012 14:30 |
1881 England Census about Charles Vallance Name: Charles Vallance Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Francis Vallance Gender: Male Where born: London, London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Leamington Priors County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address: 13 King Street Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Musician Registration district: Warwick Sub-registration district: Leamington ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3093 Folio: 105 Page Number: 36 Household Members: Name Age Charles Vallance 37 Francis Vallance 32 William Vallance 12 Sarah Vallance 10 George Vallance 8 Charles Vallance 4 Henry Vallance 2 Alberta Vallance
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ErikaH
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31 Dec 2012 14:32 |
How did you find out his father's occupation, if you don't know his name?
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Gee
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31 Dec 2012 14:34 |
I think his name may have been Jabez Charles Vallance. There is a birth on freebmd 1844
1851 England Census about Jabez Charles Vallance Name: Jabez Charles Vallance Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation: Son Father's Name: Philip Vallance Mother's Name: Elizabeth Vallance Gender: M (Male) Where born: St Geo Hanr Sq Civil parish: St George Hanover Square County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: May Fair ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 84 Piece: 1476 Folio: 425 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age Philip Vallance 35 <<School master Elizabeth Vallance 39 Philip Vallance 12 Elizabeth Sarah Vallance 10 Jabez Charles Vallance 7 James Vallance 4
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ErikaH
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31 Dec 2012 14:40 |
The son William was born in the Isle of Man
........and wife Frances in Newark
Can't see any sign of a marriage..........with or without the extra forename
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Kucinta
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31 Dec 2012 14:44 |
Possible marriage on previous thread
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/trying_to_find/thread/1143710
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ErikaH
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31 Dec 2012 14:47 |
No return to the other thread.........and no 'please' from the OP on that one either.......which was highlighted at the time
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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31 Dec 2012 14:52 |
1901 England Census about Charles Vallance Name: Charles Vallance Age: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Franics Vallance Gender: Male Where born: Hoxton, London, England Civil parish: Leamington Ecclesiastical parish: Leamington Priors All Saints Town: Leamington County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Furniture broker
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Warwick Sub-registration district: Leamington ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 233 Piece: 2931 Folio: 111 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Charles Vallance 56 Franics Vallance 51 Jessie Vallance 16 Leonard Vallance 14 Daisy Vallance 12 John Vallance 10 Richard Vallance 8
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2931; Folio: 111; Page: 29.
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Kucinta
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31 Dec 2012 14:54 |
Name: Philip Vallance Record Type: Burial Estimated Death Date: abt 1852 Burial Date: 31 May 1852 Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Parish or Poor Law Union: Kensal Green All Souls Borough: Kensington and Chelsea Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
Address School House, Farm Street Mews, St George Hanover Square.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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31 Dec 2012 14:55 |
1911 England Census about Charles Vallance Name: Charles Vallance Age in 1911: 67 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Hoxton, London, England Civil parish: Leamington County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address: 22 Bedford St Leamington Spa Marital Status: Married Occupation: Dealer In All kinds of Rummage .Furniture metals etc Registration district: Warwick Registration District Number: 393 Sub-registration district: Leamington ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Piece: 18745 Household Members: Name Age Charles Vallance 67 Frances Vallance 63 John Vallance 20
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 18745; ; .
married 43 years 14 children born 11 still living
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Kucinta
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31 Dec 2012 14:57 |
Name: Pohilip Vallance Spouse Name: Elizabeth Jenkins Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 11 Apr 1838 Parish: Queen Square St George the Martyr Borough: Camden Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses Daniel Walker and Ann Price. Old style register so no info on occupation or names of fathers and their occupations given.
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Kucinta
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31 Dec 2012 15:18 |
Marriage for James Vallance from the family of Philip and Elizabeth in census 1851.
Again his father is listed as a schoolmaster, rather than an instrument maker.
As Reggie asked, how do you know Charles' father was an instrument maker?
Name: James Vallance Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Age: 21 Spouse Name: Alice Seymour Spouse Age: 20 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 10 Dec 1867 Parish: Hammersmith St Peter Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham Father Name: Philip Vallance Spouse Father Name: Thomas Seymour Register Type: Parish Register
One witness was Elizabeth Sarah Banks - could that be the married name of his sister Elizabeth Sarah Vallance aged 10 in 1851?
Yes it was, and again, father Philip described as schoolmaster:
Name: Elizabeth Sarah Vallance Spouse Name: Edward Banks Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 24 Jan 1865 Parish: St Marylebone Borough: Westminster Father Name: Philip Vallance Spouse Father Name: Edward Banks Register Type: Parish Register
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Kucinta
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31 Dec 2012 16:03 |
There does seem to be another Vallance family in the same area who were brass instrument makers, but no obvious connection to Charles:
Census 1881
Address: 34, Eversleigh Rd, Battersea County: London, Surrey
VALLANCE, Joseph Head Married M 45 1836 Brass Musical Instrument Maker St Georges W, Middlesex<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< VALLANCE, Sarah Wife Married F 45 1836 St James W, Middlesex VALLANCE, Sarah A Daughter Single F 18 1863 Tailoress St Giles in Fields, Middlesex VALLANCE, Emma Daughter Single F 16 1865 Mantle Hand St Anns W, Middlesex VALLANCE, Charlotte Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar St Pancras N W, Middlesex VALLANCE, Joseph Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar St Pancras N W, Middlesex VALLANCE, Charles Son Single M 5 1876 Battersea, Surrey VALLANCE, Esther Daughter Single F 3 1878 Battersea, Surrey
Name: Joseph Andrew Vallance Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 28 Jun 1837 Father's Name: Andrew Vallance Mother's Name: Eliza Vallance Parish or Poor Law Union: Kennington St Mark Borough: Lambeth Register Type: Parish Registers
Address ??? Hanover Square. father a brass founder.
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Jean
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31 Dec 2012 16:20 |
Thanks for the info, I also thought he might be related to the Vallance Joseph and Adrew but can find no really evidence.
Jean
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ErikaH
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31 Dec 2012 16:24 |
I've had a PM, saying that the father's name is KNOWN............a pity we haven't had the benefit of that info
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Gee
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31 Dec 2012 16:32 |
So, who is the father? Or have I missed something!
:-S
Is this your tree at Ancestry?
Jabez Charles Vallance perks Family Tree Birth: Apr 1844 - Middlesex (London) Parents: Phillip Vallance, Elizabeth Jenkins Spouse: Francis Vallance
So, as I said earlier, I would think that this 'this' is Charles
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Jabez Charles Vallance Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1844 Registration district: St George Hanover Square Inferred County: London Volume: 1 Page: 40
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Kucinta
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31 Dec 2012 16:57 |
If you missed it Gins, I missed it too!
Plus the evidence for his occupation also being musical instrument maker...
Opening post seems to have been edited/updated with father's name?
If I'd known it was also Charles, would have saved me going down the 'wrong' line. :-(
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Gee
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31 Dec 2012 17:09 |
Thanks K, not just me then!!
Jean, if you cant find a birth or Charles with his parents on the censuses, how do you know his fathers name and occupation?
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Gee
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31 Dec 2012 17:22 |
Jean, its best to post on here, rather than send PMs, that way everyone can see the info and help
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Thanks for the reply, problem with Jabez being Charles-his father was a school master and not an instrument maker. On Charles marriage certt. the father is down as Charles Vallance musical instrument maker. RegardsJean
Can you post all the details from the marriage certificate, address, witnesses etc
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