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Deaths Dec 1896 (>99%)
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Dodge Mary Ann 24 Plympton 5b 148

Births Mar 1897 (>99%)
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Dodge William Alfred E. Stonehouse 5b 288

They must have registered him late.

Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
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Dodge Alfred Thomas Plympton 5b 211

Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)
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Dodge Edwin Augustus Stoke Damerel 5b 693
Fry Mary Ann Stoke D. 5b 693
MELHUISH Emily Mary Stoke D. 5b 693
QUICK John Henry Stoke D. 5b 693

Still going under Dodge in 1911:

William Dodge
Age in 1911: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Inmate
Birth Place: Devonport, Devon, England
Civil parish: Tattingstone
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: His Majesty's Royal Naval Training Establishment, Shotley Nr Ipswich
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Boys Under Training
Registration district: Samford
Registration District Number: 212
Sub-registration district: Capel St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 19-20
Piece: 10797

William's brother Alfred Thomas Dodge ended up in Canada and was drafted. Gave his father as NOK, fathers address 330 Hessle Rd, Hull. Alfred was a Well Digger.

Alfred Thomas Dodge (Single)
Residence: Neepawa, Manitoba, Canada
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1889
Birth Location: Plympton, Cw, England
Relative: Edwin Augustus Dodge
Relationship: Father
Regiment Number: 2129091

A tree on Ancestry has his wife as Sarah Elizabeth Fleger, but no date.

Looks like he emigrated in 1908, an 18 year old labourer on his own.

Baptism (Find My Past website)
Forename(s):Alfred Thomas (Born 20th March)
Surname:Dodge
Year:1890
Month:Apr
Day:20
Father's Forename:Edwin Augustus (Able Seaman RN)
Mother's Forename:Mary Ann
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day:20
Birth Month:Mar
Birth Year:
Dedication:Plympton, St Maurice
Place:Plymouth
County:Devon
Record source:Baptism Register - Transcripts

Burial
Forenames:Mary Ann
Surname:Dodge
Age:24
Burial Year:1896
Burial Month:Dec
Burial Day:15
Parish:"Plympton, St Maurice"
Place:Plymouth
County:Devon
Record source:Burial Register - Transcripts

(if any help!)

Chris :)

The only obvious connection to Co Kerry, Ireland is Edwin's work as a coastguard, and him being stationed there in 1901. I wonder if he left his 2 children with their grandparents temporarily, then took them to Ireland when he returned with his second wife?

There must be some reason/rumor for the relatives to believe William was born Ireland (or from Ireland?), but where the name Jones comes from I have absolutly no idea - haven't come across it in any of the research! The idea that he left home when about 14 would probably coincide with Alfred leaving for Canada in 1908.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/royal-naval-seamen.htm

(not sure if anybody on above?)

Chris :)


Description: Name Dodge, William Augustus
Official Number: J10162
Place of Birth: Devonport, Devon
02-04-1895

Think it's more likely to be this one as the dob & name matches the birth record:

Dodge, William Alfred
Official Number: 15068
Royal Marine Light Infantry
Plymouth division
Enlisted 6/6/1911
DOB 12/12/1896

Thanks for posting that link Chris - I've just been searching for some of my own ancestors - but I've always struggled with the National Archives website.

Sarah you should find Edwin's record on there too.

Just popped in to have a look before I dash off again
I think the birth registration you posted for William could belong to the other William Dodge born in 1897 the son of Isabella and Alfred Dodge. This is the 1901. In 1911 he is noted as William Alfred. The birth was registered in the March quarter so which William Alfred Dodge was the one born 12th December who has the naval record and where is the other birth record.

RG number: RG13
Piece: 2094
Folio: 87
Page: 40
Reg. District: Plymouth
Sub District: Charles
Parish: Plymouth
Enum. District: 19
Ecclesiastical District: St Augustine
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 28, Belgrave Road, Plymouth
County: Devonshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born


DOIDGE, Alfred Head Married M 32 1869 Sergeant R L M I
Huish, Somersetshire
DOIDGE, Isabella Wife Married F 23 1878
Plymouth, Devonshire
DOIDGE, William Son Single M 4 1897
Stonehouse, Devonshire

Oh Sugar :-P :-P :-P

Back to the drawing board - the one we are looking for is also William A if his marriage record is to be believed, and has to be born before his mothers burial on 15th December 1896.

I'll take another look, but wonder if they neglected to register the birth with the mother dying?

I wondered that too. If she died in childbirth then his birth registration could well have been forgotten although generally the registrar would do both at the same time.

Baptism
Forename(s):William Alfred
Surname:Dodge
Year:1909
Month:Apr
Day:29
Father's Forename:Alfred (Serjeant RMLI)
Mother's Forename:Isabel Kate
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day:12
Birth Month:Dec
Birth Year:1896
Dedication:St Matthias
Place:Plymouth
County:Devon

(just adding above)

Chris :)

Nothing for the other William is there Chris? There's no official birth registration.

just spke to mother in law willaim dodge her dad birthday was april 2nd they always celebrate his birthday then any help thanks all for all your work xxxx

You're welcome,

So his birth date ties in with Chris's military record (which you can order online for around £3 from the link provided). If you get Edwin's military record you may be able to see when they he was on duty in Ireland.

There's no birth registration here or in the Ireland index to correspond with his birth though, so for some reason they must have forgotten to register him, or it's been so badly mis-transcribed we can't find it.

Not seeing any other Baptisms, Sorry.
Did notice the below Burial though, if connected, but no Baptism either.

Forenames:Edwin Adolphus
Surname:Dodge
Age:3M
Burial Year:1896
Burial Month:Sep
Burial Day:25
Parish:"Plympton, St Maurice"
Place:Plymouth
County:Devon

Chris :)

found this on edwin augustus dodge
Collection: Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Date range: 01 January 1881 - 31 December 1881
Reference:ADM 188/149/229
Subjects:Armed Forces (General), Navy

There's a form on the site where you can order the actual service records, they cost a few quid each, and are sent electronically. Should have more details on them both, so could be worth splashing out!

im planning on going to my local registery office will they have them there to view

No, the records are only available at the National Archives, which you can do for free, otherwise you need to order them.

I don't think you can even view the BMD records at your local office, but if you know the church they were married in you could check your local archive centre see if they have the parish registers on film.