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Jennifer Report 2 Jan 2013 15:00

The above died on 27 March1928 in Salford Lancashire aged 45yrs. Is there any way I can find out his exact date of birth so that I can apply for a birth certificate. His father was WIlliam WIlliams a carpenter who died prior to 1916. We don't know the mother's name. There are so many Williams births. Tree searches have not found anyone who can help. I fear it will be an expensive business. Thanks to anyone who can advise. regards Jenny


Reggie Report 2 Jan 2013 15:08

The only document which will have the exact DOB is the cert.

Try this...................

How do you know he was born in Ruthin?

Did you learn his father's details from a marriage cert?


Reggie Report 2 Jan 2013 15:13

North Wales Birth indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Isaac Corwen Denbighshire South (Ruthin) CORWEN/01/72
WILLIAMS Isaac Denbigh Denbighshire South (Ruthin) DNB/20/E295
WILLIAMS Isaac Llanrhaeadr yng Nghinmeirch Denbighshire South (Ruthin) RHAEADR/06/80


Reggie Report 2 Jan 2013 15:15

If he's the railway worker on 1911 census, he says he was born in Denbigh

If you decide to apply for a birth cert, make sure you include the info about his father's name.

I assume 1916 was when he married?

Who were the witnesses?


Jennifer Report 2 Jan 2013 15:16

Thanks Reggie. Happy New Year! His marriage cert in 1916 to Maude Tetlow described his father as William Williams deceased a carpenter.
Ruthin came from a bit of family hearsay I think. Denbighshire would be a safer bet.There was an Isaac Williams boarding at 41 Patey Street, North Manchester on the 1911 census


Reggie Report 2 Jan 2013 15:17

Even using freebmd, which is less specific then the NW site, there aren't many births for the name in the appropriate time-scale in Denbighshire

Births Mar 1882 (>99%)
Williams Isaac Wrexham 11b 287
Births Jun 1882 (>99%)
Williams Isaac Corwen 11b 400
Births Sep 1882 (>99%)
Williams Isaac Ruthin 11b 332
Births Dec 1882 (>99%)
Williams Isaac Wrexham 11b 283
Williams Isaac St. Asaph 11b 322


Jennifer Report 2 Jan 2013 15:19

Witnesses at Salford Registry office were David Massey and Elizabeth Massey.


Reggie Report 2 Jan 2013 15:20

Does his occupation when he married tally with that of the man on the 1911 census?

And, of course, I'm going to point out that 'deceased' fathers didn't always actually exist as recorded.......


Jennifer Report 2 Jan 2013 15:28

He was a railway waggon sheeter at the time of his marriage and at his death he was a labourer in the tramway sheds. Whereas the suspected 1911 census shows him as more of a clerical worker.