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Ellen Ann Mary West Nee Iley

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Carol

Carol Report 2 Jan 2013 20:40

She was my Great Grandmother, who died in the Brackley Workhouse in Dec 1915. I am trying to find out if there are records I can go to and find out why and when she went in there. In 1911 she is in Northampton with 2 of her daughters Alice Ann and Margaret Rose. Her Husband in Burnley Lancs Edward Cooper West with a woman named Nellie.
On the death certificate it states Edward is still Ellen's husband. I have been looking for his birth and death certifcates with no luck.
Ellen was 1871 Henldon Northampton to Dec 1915 Brackley Northampton.
Edward West 1874 Adderbury Oxford. States on daughters marriage in 1918 he is decreased. Can anyone help please? Carol.

alviegal

alviegal Report 2 Jan 2013 20:49

For reference.

1911 census transcription details for: Helmdon Brackley
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN8308 RG78PN428 RD159 SD1 ED1 SN123
Reg. District: Brackley
Sub District: Brackley
Parish: Helmdon
Enum. District: 1
Address: Helmdon Brackley
County: Northamptonshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
WEST, Mary Ann Ellen Wife Married F 39 1872 Char Women Falcutt Northamptonshire
WEST, Anne Alice Daughter F 13 1898 Adderbury Oxfordshire
WEST, Margaret Rose Daughter F 9 1902 Burnley Lancastershire

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Jan 2013 20:57

Is this the right chap in 1911?

COOPER, Edward West Head Married 10 years M 35 1876 Contractor Labourer Oxfordshire
COOPER, Nelly West Wife Married F 37 1874 Northhampshire

RG number: RG14 Piece: 24946
Reference: RG14PN24946 RG78PN1426 RD472 SD6 ED1 SN78
Registration District: Burnley
Sub District: Pendle
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Barley with Wheatley Booth

Address: Barley Fence Near Burnley County: Lancashire

Catherine

Catherine Report 2 Jan 2013 20:58

just for info:-

1911

COOPER, Edward West Head Married10 years M 35 1876 Contractor Labourer Oxfordshire VIEW
COOPER, Nelly West Wife Married F 37 1874 Northhampshire VIEW

RG number: RG14 Piece: 24946 Reference: RG14PN24946 RG78PN1426 RD472 SD6 ED1 SN78 Registration District: Burnley Sub District: Pendle Enumeration District: 1 Parish: Barley with Wheatley Booth Address: Barley Fence Near Burnley County: Lancashire

and 1901:-

1901 England Census about Edward Cooper
Name: Edward Cooper
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Cooper
Gender: Male
Where born: Adderbury, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: Colne
Ecclesiastical parish: Colne St Bartholomew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Colne
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 97
Piece: 3887
Folio: 56
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Cooper 26
Emily Cooper 5
Alice Cooper 3
Mary R Cooper 9 Months
Ellen Cooper 27

alviegal

alviegal Report 2 Jan 2013 20:59

And Edward. What a job I had finding these people. Are you sure this Edward is her husband?

1911 census transcription details for: Barley Fence Near Burnley
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN24946 RG78PN1426 RD472 SD6 ED1 SN78
Reg. District: Burnley
Sub District: Pendle
Parish: Barley with Wheatley Booth
Enum. District: 1
Address: Barley Fence Near Burnley
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
COOPER, Edward West Head Married
10 years M 35 1876 Contractor Labourer Oxfordshire
COOPER, Nelly West Wife Married F 37 1874 Northhampshire


This appears to be the same one.



1901 census transcription details for: 4, High Street, Colne
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 3887
Folio: 56
Page: 19
Reg. District: Burnley
Sub District: Colne
Parish: Colne
Enum. District: 17
Ecclesiastical District: Colne St Bartholomew
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, High Street, Colne
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
COOPER, Edward Head Married M 26 1875 Railway Ganger
Adderbury, Oxfordshire
COOPER, Emily Daughter Single F 5 1896
Adderbury, Oxfordshire
COOPER, Alice Daughter Single F 3 1898
Adderbury, Oxfordshire
COOPER, Mary R Daughter Single F 0 (9 MOS) 1901
Burnley, Lancashire
COOPER, Ellen Wife Married F 27 1874
Helmdon, Northamptonshire



1891 census transcription details for: Near Railway, Bloxham Road, West Adderbury, Adderbury West
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1180
Folio: 108
Page: 6
Reg. District: Banbury
Sub District: Bloxham
Parish: West Adderbury
Enum. District: 11
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys Adderbury
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Near Railway, Bloxham Road, West Adderbury, Adderbury West
County: Oxfordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WEST, George Head Married M 38 1853 Railway Labourer
Adderbury, Oxfordshire
WEST, Elizah Wife Married F 38 1853
Croughton, Northamptonshire
WEST, Edward Son Single M 17 1874 Agricultural Labourer
Adderbury, Oxfordshire
WEST, William Son Single M 15 1876 Agricultural Labourer
Adderbury, Oxfordshire
WEST, Emily Daughter F 13 1878
Adderbury, Oxfordshire
WEST, Annie Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Adderbury, Oxfordshire
WEST, George Son M 5 1886 Scholar
Adderbury, Oxfordshire
WEST, Sarah Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Adderbury, Oxfordshire
WEST, Thomas Son M 2 1889
Adderbury, Oxfordshire

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Jan 2013 20:59

Carol - why have you marked the thread as answered?

People may think you don't need any further help.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Jan 2013 21:04

Going by your tree on ancestry it looks like you've considered a few births, I'd suggest this one:

Births Sep 1875
West Edward Banbury 3a 739

You could get the certificate to check it out?

Carol

Carol Report 2 Jan 2013 21:09

Yes they are the right people. But cannt find a marriage for Edward and Nellie, so I don't think they were. Looks like Ellen must have left in 1901 after the cenus, with the girls. Have looked for a death in West and Cooper for him but found nothing yet. Can I get information for Workhouses inmates can any one tell me. Sorry about that answered marking. Have tried that cert and it is not him. Wrong parents. Think I might try Oxford Parish Records and see if they have any info. Have looked for some of his siblings and cannot many of them either. Thanks Carol.

Catherine

Catherine Report 2 Jan 2013 21:22

Is this him in 1881:-

1881 England Census about Edward West
Name: Edward West
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George West
Mother's Name: Eliza M. West
Gender: Male
Where born: Adderbury, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: E Adderbury
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Back Lane

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Bloxham
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1523
Folio: 60
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
George West 30
Eliza M. West 30
Eliza M. West 9
Edward West 6
William A. West 5
Emily West 2

Carol

Carol Report 2 Jan 2013 21:28

Yes that is his family in 1881 and I have 1891 too. Then they marry in 1895 and change the Name to Cooper in 1901 all the way up in Burnley.

Catherine

Catherine Report 2 Jan 2013 21:30

(Thinking out loud)
So why did he use the name Cooper, he seems to have been born under the name West and mother's maiden name seems to have been Merry?

Carol

Carol Report 2 Jan 2013 21:36

We have no idea, or why they went all the way up to Burnley away from family and friends. Unless he was in trouble and running away. I am almost sure he wasn't married to Nellie though and he was still married to Ellen when she died.

Catherine

Catherine Report 2 Jan 2013 21:51

I've been thinking again!

If he was stated as deceased on his daughter's marriage certificate in 1918, then could it be that he died in WW1 ?

Carol

Carol Report 2 Jan 2013 21:59

Haven't looked to far in that line, but could be. Perhaps I should take that root forward. Want to see why Ellen went in the Workhouse though and where the girls went to before they married in 1918 and 1922. Thanks for the help. Any more would be welcome.

Catherine

Catherine Report 2 Jan 2013 22:16

I do find it a bit of a coincidence that in 1911 Edward states his wife is Nelly born 1874, Northamptonshire.
Ellen (his wife) was also born 1874, Northamptonshire and is Nelly, not another form of Helen/Eleanor or even Ellen?

Catherine

Catherine Report 2 Jan 2013 22:19

Does the address of the girls, on their marriage certificates, not give you a clue as to where they were at the time of their marriages?

Carol

Carol Report 2 Jan 2013 22:19

Ellen was born 1871 Helmdon Northampton, but she was in Northampton with her daughters. Nelly is a form of Helen I think, too. Does seem strange.

Carol

Carol Report 2 Jan 2013 22:24

Emily married in Solihull to Edgar Sandland in 1918. Alice married Frank Parrish in Manchester. 1922 and Margaret Rose married Emmanuel Stanley in Warwick 1922.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 2 Jan 2013 23:21

Marriages Sep 1895
Iley Ellen Banbury 3a 1576
West Edward Banbury 3a 1576

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Jan 2013 00:11

Catherine has echoed my thoughts about the Nellie/Ellen name swap.

Might he have been on his own for census and listed her on his form?