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Emanuel GONSELVAS, shoemaker, Middlesex c1840s

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۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 3 Jan 2013 02:44

Can SKS please look for this fellow. I have just received today the marriage certiicate for my grt grt grt grandparents.

It states:
Dec 25, 1843
The Parish Church, St Margaret, West, Middlesex
William MORLEY, full age, Bachelor, Smith (occupation) of Dacre St, father Wm Morley, [illegible, starts with M] store dealer
to
Caroline GONSELVAS, full age, Spinster, father Emanuel GONSELVAS, shoemaker
Witnesses: Mary Ann GONSELVAS & James BARNES


I can find nothing on the Gonslevas family, apart from this death:


Deaths Sep 1845 (>99%)
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GONSALVUS Emanuel Westminster 1 301

Anyone, please???


P.S. For reference - Wm & Caroline appear in 1851 census as MORLER and in 1871 (can't find them in 1861):
MORLEY, William Head M 46 1825 Middlesex VIEW
MORLEY, Caroline Wife F 48 1823 Middlesex VIEW
MORLEY, Charles Son M 9 1862 Middlesex VIEW
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Piece: 127 Folio: 25 Page: 41
Registration District: St George Hanover Square
Civil Parish: St Margaret
Municipal Borough: Westminster
Address: Dacre St, St Margaret, Westminster
County: London, Middlesex

...but really seeking info on Gonselvas :-)

jax

jax Report 3 Jan 2013 03:06

Maybe mistranscribed

1841 England Census
about Mary Gonzaley
Name: Mary Gonzaley
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regents Park
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 684
Book: 6
Folio: 16
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
George Dyson 38
Amy Dyson 39
Amy Dyson 7
Charles Dyson 3
Nancy Foreman 51
>>>>Mary Gonzaley 19



۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 3 Jan 2013 03:15

Thanks, jax. I think Mary Ann might have been her sister. Possible marriage in Westminster, though don't know to which man in FreeBMD!


Marriages Sep 1849 (>99%)
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Gonselvas Mary Ann Westminster 1 450



Just spotted a Julia Hannah GONSELVAS too:

Marriages Mar 1849 (>99%)
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GONSELVAS Julia Hannah Westminster 1 334


Wonder if she married Chas MORLEY? Maybe sisters married brothers?

Dea

Dea Report 3 Jan 2013 08:25

1841 census transcription details for: New Tothill Street, St Margaret, Westminster
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 738
Book/Folio: 5/23
Page: 1
Reg. District: Westminster
Sub District: St Margaret
Parish: St Margaret
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Westminster
Address: New Tothill Street, St Margaret, Westminster
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
COX, Charles M 21 1820
COX, Margeret F 19 1822 Middlesex

GONSALVES, Matthew M 54 1787 Foreign .... Shoe Maker
GONSALVES, Caroline F 22 1819 Middlesex
GONSALVES, Julia F 15 1826 Middlesex

HEDSON, Louisa F 38 1803 Middlesex
HEDSON, Elizabeth F 16 1825 Middlesex
HEDSON, Peter M 8 1833 Middlesex
HART, John M 33 1808 Middlesex
COTTER, John M 25 1816 Middlesex
COTTER, Margeret F 22 1819 Middlesex
COTTER, Edwin M 3 1838 Middlesex
COTTER, Mary Ann F 0 (6 months) 1841 Middlesex


Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 3 Jan 2013 08:48

Julia DID marry Charles Morley as they were all living together on 1851 with Caroline and William!!

1851 census transcription details for: 17, Dacre Street, Saint Margaret, Westminster
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1480
Folio: 239
Page: 62
Reg. District: Westminster
Sub District: Saint Margaret
Parish: Saint Margaret
Enum. District: 1G
Ecclesiastical District: Westminster
City/Municipal Borough: Westminster
Address: 17, Dacre Street, Saint Margaret, Westminster
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MORLER, William Head Married M 27 1824 General Dealer
Saint Margaret, Middlesex
MORLER, Caroline Wife Married F 28 1823
Saint Margaret, Middlesex
MORLER, Caroline Daughter F 5 1846
Saint Margaret, Middlesex
MORLER, Julia Daughter F 3 1848
Saint Margaret, Middlesex
MORLER, William Son M 1 1850
Saint Margaret, Middlesex
MORLEY, Charles Head Married M 28 1823 Porter
Saint Margaret, Middlesex
MORLEY, Julia Wife Married F 23 1828
Westminster, Middlesex
MORLEY, Julia Daughter F 1 1850
Westminster, Middlesex

Dea x

Alemap

Alemap Report 3 Jan 2013 09:16

?????Possible marriage for Emanuel

License date:10 May 1817
License date year:1817
Bride's last name:SCHULTZ
Bride's first name:Sophia E
Dual date:10 May 1817
Groom's last name:GONSALVES
Groom's first name:Manuel
Record source:Faculty Office Marriage Licence Allegations 1701-1850
Data provider:Society of Genealogists

Dea

Dea Report 3 Jan 2013 09:26

There was also this marriage:

ondon, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Manuel Gonsalves
Name: Manuel Gonsalves
Spouse Name: Susannah Holton
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Oct 1815
Parish: Westminster St Margaret
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Dea x

Gins

Gins Report 3 Jan 2013 09:56

That marriage you posted Dea, has wit as: Manuel & Elizabeth Joseph

And the marriage posted by Pam, has Sophia Elizabeth as a widow. Wit: George? & John Bryan

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 4 Jan 2013 05:12

Wow, thanks Dea!

And Gins & Pam for your help too. How amazing about them being together in 1851, never picked that up before! Can you find them in 1861?

Wonder why he is showing as Matthew in 1841? Is it mistranscribed from Manuel? Shame it has 'foreign' rather than his actual birthplace, not very helpful!!!

Where did the 1817 marriage take place? I do fancy the 1815 one as a match though given the St Margaret connection.

Still looks like a bit of a dead-end though from there :-(

Gins

Gins Report 4 Jan 2013 06:15

Cherilyn

Heres the details for the 1817 marriage


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Sophia Elizabeth Schultz
Spouse Name: Manuel Gonsalves
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 May 1817
Parish: Shadwell, St Paul
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register


I cant see them in 1861 but, wonder if mom died?


Deaths Mar 1852
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MORLEY Caroline Westminster 1a 185



Looks like the above death is the daughter. Here are Caroline and William in 1871


1871 England Census
Name: Charles Morley
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Morley
Mother's Name: Caroline Morley
Gender: Male
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St George Hanover Square <<<< 16 Dacre St
Sub-registration district: St Margaret Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 245
Piece: 127
Folio: 25
Page Number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
William Morley 46 <<Gen dealer
Caroline Morley 48
Charles Morley 9


1881 England Census
Name: Charles Morley
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Caroline Morley
Gender: Male
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Margaret
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 16 Dacre St

Occupation: Carman

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: St Margaret Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 117
Folio: 108
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Morley 61 <<Widow, Charwoman
Charles Morley 19
John T. Watson 25 <<Lodger
Henry Pengrieff 27 <<Visitor


Wonder if this is Julia?


1861 England Census
Name: Julia Marles
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Kensington St Mary Abbott
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Brompton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Brompton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 174
Piece: 20
Folio: 128
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Cooper 46
Susan Cooper 53
Eliz Neweens 29
Julia Marles 15
Ruth Maggs 62


Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Jan 2013 08:10

Did have a search for 1861 last night, but couldn't see them...

(if still at Dacre Street, came up with below on google, an old query, looking for same street, seems to be missing 1861)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1273430

Chris :)

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 4 Jan 2013 09:32

Thanks again, GIns :-)

Well isn't that a blow, Chris! At least that explains it...! Of course that is the one MY ancestor would appear on as a child... :-|