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Cherilyn
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3 Jan 2013 02:44 |
Can SKS please look for this fellow. I have just received today the marriage certiicate for my grt grt grt grandparents.
It states: Dec 25, 1843 The Parish Church, St Margaret, West, Middlesex William MORLEY, full age, Bachelor, Smith (occupation) of Dacre St, father Wm Morley, [illegible, starts with M] store dealer to Caroline GONSELVAS, full age, Spinster, father Emanuel GONSELVAS, shoemaker Witnesses: Mary Ann GONSELVAS & James BARNES
I can find nothing on the Gonslevas family, apart from this death:
Deaths Sep 1845 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GONSALVUS Emanuel Westminster 1 301
Anyone, please???
P.S. For reference - Wm & Caroline appear in 1851 census as MORLER and in 1871 (can't find them in 1861): MORLEY, William Head M 46 1825 Middlesex VIEW MORLEY, Caroline Wife F 48 1823 Middlesex VIEW MORLEY, Charles Son M 9 1862 Middlesex VIEW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Piece: 127 Folio: 25 Page: 41 Registration District: St George Hanover Square Civil Parish: St Margaret Municipal Borough: Westminster Address: Dacre St, St Margaret, Westminster County: London, Middlesex
...but really seeking info on Gonselvas :-)
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3 Jan 2013 03:06 |
Maybe mistranscribed
1841 England Census about Mary Gonzaley Name: Mary Gonzaley Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Gender: Female Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Pancras Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: St Pancras Sub-registration district: Regents Park Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 684 Book: 6 Folio: 16 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age George Dyson 38 Amy Dyson 39 Amy Dyson 7 Charles Dyson 3 Nancy Foreman 51 >>>>Mary Gonzaley 19
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Cherilyn
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3 Jan 2013 03:15 |
Thanks, jax. I think Mary Ann might have been her sister. Possible marriage in Westminster, though don't know to which man in FreeBMD!
Marriages Sep 1849 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonselvas Mary Ann Westminster 1 450
Just spotted a Julia Hannah GONSELVAS too:
Marriages Mar 1849 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GONSELVAS Julia Hannah Westminster 1 334
Wonder if she married Chas MORLEY? Maybe sisters married brothers?
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Dea
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3 Jan 2013 08:25 |
1841 census transcription details for: New Tothill Street, St Margaret, Westminster Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 738 Book/Folio: 5/23 Page: 1 Reg. District: Westminster Sub District: St Margaret Parish: St Margaret Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Westminster Address: New Tothill Street, St Margaret, Westminster County: Middlesex Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born COX, Charles M 21 1820 COX, Margeret F 19 1822 Middlesex
GONSALVES, Matthew M 54 1787 Foreign .... Shoe Maker GONSALVES, Caroline F 22 1819 Middlesex GONSALVES, Julia F 15 1826 Middlesex
HEDSON, Louisa F 38 1803 Middlesex HEDSON, Elizabeth F 16 1825 Middlesex HEDSON, Peter M 8 1833 Middlesex HART, John M 33 1808 Middlesex COTTER, John M 25 1816 Middlesex COTTER, Margeret F 22 1819 Middlesex COTTER, Edwin M 3 1838 Middlesex COTTER, Mary Ann F 0 (6 months) 1841 Middlesex
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3 Jan 2013 08:48 |
Julia DID marry Charles Morley as they were all living together on 1851 with Caroline and William!!
1851 census transcription details for: 17, Dacre Street, Saint Margaret, Westminster Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1480 Folio: 239 Page: 62 Reg. District: Westminster Sub District: Saint Margaret Parish: Saint Margaret Enum. District: 1G Ecclesiastical District: Westminster City/Municipal Borough: Westminster Address: 17, Dacre Street, Saint Margaret, Westminster County: Middlesex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born MORLER, William Head Married M 27 1824 General Dealer Saint Margaret, Middlesex MORLER, Caroline Wife Married F 28 1823 Saint Margaret, Middlesex MORLER, Caroline Daughter F 5 1846 Saint Margaret, Middlesex MORLER, Julia Daughter F 3 1848 Saint Margaret, Middlesex MORLER, William Son M 1 1850 Saint Margaret, Middlesex MORLEY, Charles Head Married M 28 1823 Porter Saint Margaret, Middlesex MORLEY, Julia Wife Married F 23 1828 Westminster, Middlesex MORLEY, Julia Daughter F 1 1850 Westminster, Middlesex
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3 Jan 2013 09:16 |
?????Possible marriage for Emanuel
License date:10 May 1817 License date year:1817 Bride's last name:SCHULTZ Bride's first name:Sophia E Dual date:10 May 1817 Groom's last name:GONSALVES Groom's first name:Manuel Record source:Faculty Office Marriage Licence Allegations 1701-1850 Data provider:Society of Genealogists
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Dea
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3 Jan 2013 09:26 |
There was also this marriage:
ondon, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Manuel Gonsalves Name: Manuel Gonsalves Spouse Name: Susannah Holton Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 10 Oct 1815 Parish: Westminster St Margaret Borough: Westminster Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
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3 Jan 2013 09:56 |
That marriage you posted Dea, has wit as: Manuel & Elizabeth Joseph
And the marriage posted by Pam, has Sophia Elizabeth as a widow. Wit: George? & John Bryan
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Cherilyn
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4 Jan 2013 05:12 |
Wow, thanks Dea!
And Gins & Pam for your help too. How amazing about them being together in 1851, never picked that up before! Can you find them in 1861?
Wonder why he is showing as Matthew in 1841? Is it mistranscribed from Manuel? Shame it has 'foreign' rather than his actual birthplace, not very helpful!!!
Where did the 1817 marriage take place? I do fancy the 1815 one as a match though given the St Margaret connection.
Still looks like a bit of a dead-end though from there :-(
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4 Jan 2013 06:15 |
Cherilyn
Heres the details for the 1817 marriage
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Sophia Elizabeth Schultz Spouse Name: Manuel Gonsalves Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 12 May 1817 Parish: Shadwell, St Paul Borough: Tower Hamlets Register Type: Parish Register
I cant see them in 1861 but, wonder if mom died?
Deaths Mar 1852 ---------------------------------------------------------- MORLEY Caroline Westminster 1a 185
Looks like the above death is the daughter. Here are Caroline and William in 1871
1871 England Census Name: Charles Morley Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Morley Mother's Name: Caroline Morley Gender: Male Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Margaret Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square <<<< 16 Dacre St Sub-registration district: St Margaret Westminster ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 245 Piece: 127 Folio: 25 Page Number: 41 Household Members: Name Age William Morley 46 <<Gen dealer Caroline Morley 48 Charles Morley 9 1881 England Census Name: Charles Morley Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Caroline Morley Gender: Male Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Margaret County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 16 Dacre St
Occupation: Carman Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: St Margaret Westminster ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 117 Folio: 108 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Caroline Morley 61 <<Widow, Charwoman Charles Morley 19 John T. Watson 25 <<Lodger Henry Pengrieff 27 <<Visitor Wonder if this is Julia?
1861 England Census Name: Julia Marles Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Kensington St Mary Abbott Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Brompton County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Brompton ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 174 Piece: 20 Folio: 128 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Wm Cooper 46 Susan Cooper 53 Eliz Neweens 29 Julia Marles 15 Ruth Maggs 62
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Chris Ho :)
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4 Jan 2013 08:10 |
Did have a search for 1861 last night, but couldn't see them...
(if still at Dacre Street, came up with below on google, an old query, looking for same street, seems to be missing 1861)
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1273430
Chris :)
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Cherilyn
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4 Jan 2013 09:32 |
Thanks again, GIns :-)
Well isn't that a blow, Chris! At least that explains it...! Of course that is the one MY ancestor would appear on as a child... :-|
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