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Thank you very much Jan,
Yes I am sure they are related, cousins I think.

You have been a great help, I think the Thomas Harvey carpenter we found must be Thomas the seaman’s father, I will continue to look for any other info to back this up, it has been very difficult not knowing how old Thomas jn was, I don’t know if his death was recorded in Feb 1870. I will try to look for it.

You deserve a sit down & a cup of tea.<3
Ann

Speculating:

name: Thomas Harvey
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 1834
baptism/christening place: ST. HELENS, HAMPSHIRE, ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Harvey
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Eliza
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C39090-4
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1470890
reference number: - 2:2RM4Z40

Must be related surely???

groom's name: William Bartlett
bride's name: Eliza Harvey

marriage date: 29 May 1840
marriage place: Newchurch, Hampshire, England
groom's father's name: William Bartlett
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: William Harvey

bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M39392-5
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1470879
reference number: 2:3GDWMDR

I wonder if Emma was Bartlett?? Bear with me:


1861 England Census
Name: Emma Bartlett
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Eliza Bartlett
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of Wight, Ryde

Civil parish: Newchurch
Town: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

Eliza Bartlett 53
Emma Bartlett 20
Frederick Bartlett 19
William Woolgar 8


1841 England Census about Eliza Bartlett
Name: Eliza Bartlett
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Female
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Newchurch
Hundred: Isle of Wight Division West Medina Liberty
County/Island: Hampshire

Registration district: Isle of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde

William Bartlett 30
Eliza Bartlett 30
Thomas Harvey 7
Edward Harvey 5
Emma Harvey 2

Thank you very much Jan that is wonderful.
Thomas marriage
11 June 1861 All Saints, Newchurch by banns
Sarah BICKNELL F/A spinster--------- Ryde father Thomas Bricknell carpenter
Thomas HARVEY F/A bachelor seaman Ryde father Thomas HARVEY carpenter
Witnesses Tho WHITE Emma Bartett

I will look & see if I can find anything on the witnesses, also I will look in “London Gazette” to see if I can find anything on Thomas navy promotion
Thank you Chris
Emma Ada Harvey married Charles 1902 June ¼. I haven’t yet sent for their marriage cert, hope to do so soon he died Dec ¼ 1902 I have his burial.
Thanks again, :-)
Ann

Who were the witnesses on the marriage cert?

Torgord Emma Ada 1871 Newport I Of W Isle Of Wight

(might be above on Genes Ann!)


1902 TOOGOOD Charles Edwqrd HARVEY Emma Ada St Helen, St Helens

(Marriage from IOW link, posted earlier)

Chris :)

Here is the Ancestry transcription for Emma, not sure if you have it??


1911 England Census

Name: Emma Ada Toogood
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Newport, Isle of Wight, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: Hafod, Queens Road, Ryde, I Of W
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Cook
Registration district: Isle of Wight

Jane Elizabeth Watkins 67
Emma Ada Toogood 40
Hannah Taeger 26

Thank you Jan, he must have been in the navy.
Our messages crossed.
One other problem I have is finding Thomas married daughter,
I found this on An….. 1911 census NAME: Emma Ada Toogood BIRTH: abt 1871 - city, Isle of Wight, United Kingdom RESIDENCE: date - city, Hampshire, England
But can’t find her on Family search or Genes R!

Thanks,
Ann

The problem is, you have no idea where he was born. There can't be too many Thomas Harvey's around with occupation carpenter though I suppose.
Who were the witnesses on the marriage cert please, and do you have any kind of residence for him?
Jan

Thank you very much Jan,
Thomas was full age when he married in 1861.
The census & marriage look to be the man I am after, I wonder where his son Thomas was in 1841? He would have been about 15 [if it is the right one] he could he have been in the Navy by then ? but family Search have one in the 1841 census, may be it is not him.:-S


Ann

The other Thomas you asked about was a prisoner! in Parkhurst! Born out of county. Looking at image it looks like Hardy not Harvey.

1841 England Census

Name: Thomas Harvey
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Carisbrooke
Hundred: Isle of Wight Division West Medina Liberty
County/Island: Hampshire

Registration district: Isle of Wight
Sub-registration district: Newport

I did wonder if your Thomas might possibly have been a Perkins at birth, but I suspect this is Ann:


1841 England Census
Name: Ann Perkins (occ???---maker)
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Female
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Whippingham
Hundred: Isle of Wight Division East Medina Liberty
County/Island: Hampshire

Registration district: Isle of Wight
Sub-registration district: Cowes

Fanny Perkins 70
Ann Perkins 30
Susanna Perkins 25
Sarah Perkins 25

The Eliza Perkins 1851 is a niece, so I am guessing this is the marriage:

Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
Ballard William Wight I. 8 435
Birt Esther Elizabeth I of Wight 8 435
Harvey Thomas I of Wight 8 435
Holland Ruth Wight I 8 435
Long James I of Wight 8 435
Mitchell Charlotte I of Wight 8 435
Perkins Ann I of Wight 8 435
Stark William Isle of Wight 8 435

Jan

ADDED wife Ann is a milliner!

1851 England Census

Name: Thomas Harvey carpenter/joiner
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Harvey
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Newport, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Newport
County/Island: Hampshire

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Newport
Thomas Harvey 38
Ann Harvey 40
Henry Harvey 7
Eliza A Perkins 17
Malke Brading 11

Can I just ask how old Thomas was on the marriage cert? Apologies if you have put it already!

The Thomas below is a carpenter, but no sign of other family:

1841 England Census

Name: Thomas Harvey
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Gender: Male
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Carisbrooke
Hundred: Isle of Wight Division West Medina Liberty
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Isle of Wight
Sub-registration district: Newport

Thomas Harvey 28
Martha Worys 75

Jan

Hi
Found on Family Search.
Thomas Harvey 29 Aug 1813 baptism NODE HILL-INDEP ,Newport, Hants, birth 08 Mar 1813 father Thomas Harvey mother Ann

Thomas Harvey 09 Nov 1828 baptism Godshill (near Newport), Hants, 22 Oct 1828 father Thomas Harvey mother Hannah
Also found two Thomas Harvey one 28 other 15 in 1841 census Carisbrooke, could this be my Thomas & his father the Carpenter???
Please can some one have a look :-)

Ann

Thank you Gins, brummieian Chris for helping,
I don’t know where & when Thomas was born, His wife was Sarah nee Bricknell, was born Southsea c1823 lived in Newport 1841 with parents, 1851 servant Newport, 1861 servant Ryde, she married 11 June 1861 All Saints, New church [Ryde], 1870, Thomas Harvey late quartermaster died Feb, 1871 Sarah in Carisbrooke with 3 daughters, a widow, that is all I have on him.
The Thomas Harvey 49 Coal merchant with son Thomas 17 a Mariner,he later took over the coal business, so we can discount him,
I have found this in the newspapers
“Harvey-Perkins- on Tuesday last, at the Independent Chapel, Node Hill, Isle of Wight, Mr Thomas Harvey,
Carpenter, to Miss Perkins, Milliner, and High Street.”
I don’t know if this his father? 2nd Marriage??
I think Thomas would have been on the IOW in 1841, unless he was much older than his wife?
Thanks,
Ann

1840 HARVEY Thomas PHILLIPS Jane George Street Independent Chapel, Ryde

1843 HARVEY
Thomas PHILLIPS Ryde

(above Birth and Marriage on below link)


http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/bmd/startbmd.htm

Chris :)

This Thomas is a joiner, no idea if connected:

1841 England Census

Name: Thos Harvey
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Newchurch
Hundred: Isle of Wight Division West Medina Liberty
County/Island: Hampshire

Registration district: Isle of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde

Thos Harvey 25
Jane Harvey 20
James Patch 50