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Barbara
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6 Jan 2013 15:14 |
We can't find any records for him. His SON was also Robert franklin born in 1852 in Surrey and was married to Elizabeth Ann Richards .
The father was probably in the navy as well
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Maddie
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6 Jan 2013 15:24 |
a tree on ancestry has Robert junior born in Sutton Surrey ??? no parents named 1861
Name: Robert Franklin Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Elizabeth Franklin Gender: Male Where born: Sutton, Surrey, England Civil parish: Maidstone Ecclesiastical parish: Maidstone Town: Maidstone County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Maidstone Sub-registration district: West Maidstone ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 196 Piece: 500 Folio: 157 Page Number: 36 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Franklin 42 Louisa Franklin 17 George Franklin 13 Elizabeth Franklin 12 Robert Franklin 8 Frances Lepper 42
Elizabeth was a widow
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rootgatherer
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6 Jan 2013 15:30 |
1861
Name: Robert Franklin Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Elizabeth Franklin Gender: Male Where born: Sutton, Surrey, England Civil parish: Maidstone Ecclesiastical parish: Maidstone Town: Maidstone County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Maidstone Sub-registration district: West Maidstone ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 196 Piece: 500 Folio: 157 Page Number: 36 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Franklin 42 Widow Louisa Franklin 17 George Franklin 13 Elizabeth Franklin 12 Robert Franklin 8 Frances Lepper 42 ??? Same family?
1851
Name: Louisa Franklin Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Franklin Mother's Name: Ellen Franklin Gender: F (Female) Where born: Crankbrook, Kent, England Civil parish: Poplar County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
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Disability: View image Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: 40 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 138 Piece: 1556 Folio: 870 Page Number: 35 Household Members: Name Age George Franklin 29 Builder Ellen Franklin 31 Louisa Franklin 7 Mary Ann Franklin 5 George Franklin 3 Elizabeth Franklin 2
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6 Jan 2013 15:45 |
Do you have his marriage certificate please? What name and occupation did he give for his father on that?
Had his wife been married before/ Not seeing a Franklin / Richards marriage.
1891
Name: Elizabeth Franklin [Elizabeth Hutchings] Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Robert Franklin Mother's Name: Mary Hutchings Gender: Female Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Portland Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Portland County/Island: Dorset Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Weymouth Sub-registration district: Portland ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1649 Folio: 10 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Robert Franklin 36 Master at Arms R.N. Elizabeth Franklin 34 Lylian Franklin 10 William Franklin 6 Edward Franklin 1 Ethel Franklin 2/12 Mary Hutchings 63 Mother-in-law
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MarieCeleste
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6 Jan 2013 16:07 |
Don't know if Barbara has this:
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Robert Franklin Probate Date: 23 Feb 1918 Death Date: 9 Oct 1917 Death Place: Essex, England Registry: London, England
Lived 47b Wanstead Park Road, Ilford. Admin to widow Elizabeth Ann richards Franklin. effects £432 14s 5d.
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MarieCeleste
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6 Jan 2013 16:10 |
Just posting 1911 for reference, says married 34 years on the form:
FRANKLIN, Robert Head Married M 59 1852 Grocer Shopkeeper Maidstone Kent FRANKLIN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 54 1857 Portsmouth Hants FRANKLIN, Edward Fred Son Single M 21 1890 Hotel Porter Portland Dorset FRANKLIN, Harold Son Single M 15 1896 Student Leytonstone Essex FRANKLIN, Grace Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Leytonstone Essex
RG number: RG14 Piece: 9850 Reference: RG14PN9850 RG78PN521A RD191 SD2 ED1 SN26 Registration District: Romford Sub District: Ilford Enumeration District: 1 Parish: Ilford
Address: 47b Wanstead Park Road Ilford County: Essex
10 children born, 8 still alive
Not born in Surrey according to this. Odd, because the 1901 definitely says Sutton, Surrey. BUT, his birthplace on the 1891 is Maidstone.
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rootgatherer
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6 Jan 2013 19:26 |
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Marriages Dec 1877 Bore Phoebe Mary Portsea 2b 862 CHAMBERLAIN William James Portsea 2b 862 Franklin Robert Portsea 2b 862 <<<<<<<<<<<< Salter Elizabeth Ann E Portsea 2b 862 <<<<<<<<<<<
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Name: Mary Salter Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Relation: Head Gender: Female
Where born: Crowan, Cornwall, England <<<<<<<<<<<< Same birth place as Mary Hutchings on 1891 census. Civil parish: Portsea Town: Portsea County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Portsea Island Sub-registration district: Portsea Town ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 38 Piece: 636 Folio: 99 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Mary Salter 37 Married, Housekeeper George W Salter 7 Elizabeth A Salter 4 Jane Lloyde 21 James McNeill 55 William Linton 40 Elizabeth Linton 41 Charles Gladson 55 Eliza Gladson 34
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Cynthia
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7 Jan 2013 13:35 |
Welcome to the Community Boards Barbara.
There are a couple of other members who have Robert Franklin born Sutton, Surrey in their trees, it may be worth contacting them for information.
Simply click on Search above and then on Search all Trees. Cx
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MarieCeleste
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7 Jan 2013 19:01 |
pm from Barbara:
"The Robert who died 9th Oct 1917 was my great grandfather. He appears to have been born in Sutton Surrey but we can't find out anything about his PARENTS."
Barbara, as asked earlier - do you have his marriage certificate or have you found his marriage record?
Have you assumed that Elizabeth Ann's surname was Richards because it was used as a middle name? It may have been a name passed down.
The records that Rootgatherer found suggest that she was actually Elizabeth Ann Salter. I'd suggest you order a copy of that 1877 marriage certificate detailed above.
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rootgatherer
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7 Jan 2013 19:57 |
Barbara, can you tell us please
(1) where you got his father's name?
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(2) Where you got his wife's maiden surname?
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(3) Why you think that his father was in the Royal Navy?
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Barbara
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8 Jan 2013 11:26 |
My sister, Elizabeth, has been doing a lot of reseach on Ancestory. I think that is where people have got some info. on Robert Franklin.
I have a family bible in which has my great grandparents at the start.
Robert Franklin born June 2nd 1852 married Alizabeth Ann Richards 16th Oct 1877 Portsea Parish church Liz has their marriage cert. and I think Elizabeth Ann Slater Richards birth certificate. We know from records that he was in the navy. Elizabeth Ann Richards daughter of George William Salter (born 1811 in Windsor) and Mary Richards (born 1824 crowan cornwall) married in Falmouth 1848. George died and Mary re-marrieed John Hutchens in 1867 She died in 1896 and her death was reported by her son George.
In the 1861 census Robert was living in Maidstone ( but was born in Sutton ) with his MOTHER ELIZABETH. no mention of father. My reason for thinking his father was in the navy is that my grandmother told me there had been 100 years on continual franklin s in the navy which ended when her father left.
Hope that helps us find the father.
Barbara
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rootgatherer
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8 Jan 2013 14:05 |
Barbara,
I think that the 1851 census shows that Robert's father was George Franklin a Builder.
It is unlikely that the family on the 1851 census is a different family from that on the 1861 as the names and ages of the children fit although the mother is listed as Ellen (a pet name of Elizabeth?).
What do others think please?
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8 Jan 2013 14:31 |
Barbar I was confused by your original post as you didn't give us Elizabeth Ann Richards maiden surname I thought that Richards was her maiden surname but now realise it was Salter.
Births Mar 1857 SALTER Elizabeth Ann Richards Portsea 2b 386
Births Jun 1853 Salter George William Richards Portsea I. 2b 364
Perhaps it was Elizabeth's father who was in the Royal Navy?
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