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Robert Franklin

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Barbara

Barbara Report 6 Jan 2013 15:14

We can't find any records for him. His SON was also Robert franklin born in 1852 in Surrey and was married to Elizabeth Ann Richards .

The father was probably in the navy as well

Maddie

Maddie Report 6 Jan 2013 15:24

a tree on ancestry has Robert junior born in Sutton Surrey ???
no parents named
1861

Name: Robert Franklin
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Franklin
Gender: Male
Where born: Sutton, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Maidstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Maidstone
Town: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: West Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 196
Piece: 500
Folio: 157
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Franklin 42
Louisa Franklin 17
George Franklin 13
Elizabeth Franklin 12
Robert Franklin 8
Frances Lepper 42

Elizabeth was a widow

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 6 Jan 2013 15:30

1861

Name: Robert Franklin
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Franklin
Gender: Male
Where born: Sutton, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Maidstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Maidstone
Town: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: West Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 196
Piece: 500
Folio: 157
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Franklin 42 Widow
Louisa Franklin 17
George Franklin 13
Elizabeth Franklin 12
Robert Franklin 8
Frances Lepper 42

??? Same family?

1851

Name: Louisa Franklin
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Franklin
Mother's Name: Ellen Franklin
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Crankbrook, Kent, England

Civil parish: Poplar
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 138
Piece: 1556
Folio: 870
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
George Franklin 29 Builder
Ellen Franklin 31
Louisa Franklin 7
Mary Ann Franklin 5
George Franklin 3
Elizabeth Franklin 2


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 6 Jan 2013 15:45

Do you have his marriage certificate please? What name and occupation did he give for his father on that?

Had his wife been married before/ Not seeing a Franklin / Richards marriage.

1891

Name: Elizabeth Franklin
[Elizabeth Hutchings]
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert Franklin
Mother's Name: Mary Hutchings
Gender: Female
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portland
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Portland
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Weymouth
Sub-registration district: Portland
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1649
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Franklin 36 Master at Arms R.N.
Elizabeth Franklin 34
Lylian Franklin 10
William Franklin 6
Edward Franklin 1
Ethel Franklin 2/12
Mary Hutchings 63 Mother-in-law

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Jan 2013 16:07

Don't know if Barbara has this:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Robert Franklin
Probate Date: 23 Feb 1918
Death Date: 9 Oct 1917
Death Place: Essex, England
Registry: London, England

Lived 47b Wanstead Park Road, Ilford. Admin to widow Elizabeth Ann richards Franklin. effects £432 14s 5d.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Jan 2013 16:10

Just posting 1911 for reference, says married 34 years on the form:

FRANKLIN, Robert Head Married M 59 1852 Grocer Shopkeeper Maidstone Kent
FRANKLIN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 54 1857 Portsmouth Hants
FRANKLIN, Edward Fred Son Single M 21 1890 Hotel Porter Portland Dorset
FRANKLIN, Harold Son Single M 15 1896 Student Leytonstone Essex
FRANKLIN, Grace Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Leytonstone Essex

RG number: RG14 Piece: 9850
Reference: RG14PN9850 RG78PN521A RD191 SD2 ED1 SN26
Registration District: Romford
Sub District: Ilford
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Ilford

Address: 47b Wanstead Park Road Ilford County: Essex

10 children born, 8 still alive

Not born in Surrey according to this. Odd, because the 1901 definitely says Sutton, Surrey.
BUT, his birthplace on the 1891 is Maidstone.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 6 Jan 2013 19:26

????

Marriages Dec 1877
Bore Phoebe Mary Portsea 2b 862
CHAMBERLAIN William James Portsea 2b 862
Franklin Robert Portsea 2b 862 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Salter Elizabeth Ann E Portsea 2b 862 <<<<<<<<<<<


1861

Name: Mary Salter
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Gender: Female

Where born: Crowan, Cornwall, England <<<<<<<<<<<< Same birth place as Mary Hutchings on 1891 census.

Civil parish: Portsea
Town: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsea Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 38
Piece: 636
Folio: 99
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Salter 37 Married, Housekeeper
George W Salter 7
Elizabeth A Salter 4
Jane Lloyde 21
James McNeill 55
William Linton 40
Elizabeth Linton 41
Charles Gladson 55
Eliza Gladson 34


Cynthia

Cynthia Report 7 Jan 2013 13:35

Welcome to the Community Boards Barbara.

There are a couple of other members who have Robert Franklin born Sutton, Surrey in their trees, it may be worth contacting them for information.

Simply click on Search above and then on Search all Trees. Cx

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 7 Jan 2013 19:01

pm from Barbara:

"The Robert who died 9th Oct 1917 was my great grandfather. He appears to have been born in Sutton Surrey but we can't find out anything about his PARENTS."

Barbara, as asked earlier - do you have his marriage certificate or have you found his marriage record?

Have you assumed that Elizabeth Ann's surname was Richards because it was used as a middle name? It may have been a name passed down.

The records that Rootgatherer found suggest that she was actually Elizabeth Ann Salter. I'd suggest you order a copy of that 1877 marriage certificate detailed above.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 Jan 2013 19:57

Barbara, can you tell us please

(1) where you got his father's name?

and

(2) Where you got his wife's maiden surname?

and

(3) Why you think that his father was in the Royal Navy?


Barbara

Barbara Report 8 Jan 2013 11:26

My sister, Elizabeth, has been doing a lot of reseach on Ancestory. I think that is where people have got some info. on Robert Franklin.

I have a family bible in which has my great grandparents at the start.

Robert Franklin born June 2nd 1852 married Alizabeth Ann Richards 16th Oct 1877 Portsea Parish church Liz has their marriage cert. and I think Elizabeth Ann Slater Richards birth certificate.
We know from records that he was in the navy.
Elizabeth Ann Richards daughter of George William Salter (born 1811 in Windsor) and Mary Richards (born 1824 crowan cornwall) married in Falmouth 1848. George died and Mary re-marrieed John Hutchens in 1867 She died in 1896 and her death was reported by her son George.

In the 1861 census Robert was living in Maidstone ( but was born in Sutton ) with his MOTHER ELIZABETH. no mention of father.
My reason for thinking his father was in the navy is that my grandmother told me there had been 100 years on continual franklin s in the navy which ended when her father left.

Hope that helps us find the father.

Barbara

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 8 Jan 2013 14:05

Barbara,

I think that the 1851 census shows that Robert's father was George Franklin a Builder.

It is unlikely that the family on the 1851 census is a different family from that on the 1861 as the names and ages of the children fit although the mother is listed as Ellen (a pet name of Elizabeth?).

What do others think please?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 8 Jan 2013 14:31

Barbar I was confused by your original post as you didn't give us Elizabeth Ann Richards maiden surname I thought that Richards was her maiden surname but now realise it was Salter.

Births Mar 1857 SALTER Elizabeth Ann Richards Portsea 2b 386

Births Jun 1853 Salter George William Richards Portsea I. 2b 364


Perhaps it was Elizabeth's father who was in the Royal Navy?