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Dear All,

I have been trying to find out who my great-great-grandmother was. All I know at the moment is that my great-grandmother's name was Julia Jane Joyce and that she was born in Morar, Gwalior on the Indian Subcontinent. Her father's name was Edward Joyce and he was a Private in the 54th Regiment of Foot (West Norfolk). I have found him station in India in 1861 and have also found Julia's birth recorded in India in 1875, but I can not find any more information about them. I was hoping that somebody may have some advice as to how I can find out Edward Joyce's soldier number or if there is perhaps any other way I can find out any more about them.

Thanks in advance and kind regards,

James

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First Name(s):Edward
Last Name:Joyce
Number:381
Rank:Private
Unit:54th Foot (West Norfolk)
Regiment Stationed at:Cawnpore East Indies
National Archives reference:WO12 / 6526

Wow! That's brilliant. Thank you very much! :-)

http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_person_search.php

http://indiafamily.bl.uk/ui/Advancediscovery.aspx


(might be worth a look round on above links)

Chris :)

Name: JOYCE, Julia J
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:54th Foot
Place : Morar Gwalior
Country: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1875
Volume : 1101
Page: 15
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

(you can send for Cert. above, for more detail)


http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

(order online from above link, Overseas Births)

1881 (if her?)
DANIELS, William Head Married M 55 1826 Bricklayers Laborer
Norwich, Norfolk
DANIELS, Sarah A Wife Married F 52 1829 Laundress
Morley, Norfolk
NICHOLS, Rachel Mother In Law Widow F 79 1802
Norwich, Norfolk
JOYCE, Julia J Step Grand Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Not Known, East Indies
Piece: 1953
Folio: 52
Page: 30
Registration District: Norwich
Civil Parish: Norwich Heigham
Municipal Borough:
Address: Adelaide Street, Norwich Heigham
County: Norfolk

Chris :)

Think you may be onto something there Chris - she's with her mother/stepfather in 1891:

Julia I Joyce
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's Name: Mary Bush
Gender: Female
Where born: India

Civil parish: St Martin in the Fields
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Martin in the Fields
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 214
Folio: 14
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph H Bush 44
Mary Bush 46
Julia I Joyce 15
Joseph H Bush 11
Sarah A Bush 9 ,,b Dorchester
Henry Watta Bush 7 <<Dorchester
Sarah A Daniels 69 <<his mother, widow b Norfolk

And in 1881, Joseph/Mary:

Joseph Bush
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Bush
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Normanton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address: "26th Brig Dep (Inft)" Normanton Derby
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Private 54 Foot <<<<<<<<<<

Registration district: Shardlow
Sub-registration district: Shardlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 26th Brigade Depot
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3388
Folio: 97
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Bush 34
Mary Bush 35 << born Ireland
Joseph Bush 1 << Born East Indies

Julia Jane Joyce
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Age: 20
Spouse Name: Arthur Whitehead <<labourer
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Sep 1893
Parish: Southwark St Saviour
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Edward Joyce <<deceased soldier
Spouse Father Name: James King Whitehead <<mariner
Register Type: Parish Register

Both of 81 Mowbray Buildings, the only witness I can see is James Buckley - the image has been cut off at the bottom

Presidency of Marriage BENGAL
Marriage Year 1876
Husband First Names Joseph
Husband Surname Bush
Wife First Names Mary
Wife Surname Joyce
Prefix N1
Source Year 1876
Volume Number 155
Folio 236
LDS Film Reference 512335


Name: BUSH, Joseph H
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:54th Foot
Place : Landour
Country: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1879
Volume : 1101
Page: 15
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

(so looks like above could fit, but no help with maiden name of Mary!, Birth Cert. for Julia should help)

Chris :)


County Norfolk
Place Thorpe St Andrew
Church St Andrew
RegisterNumber 109
MarriageDate 09 Sep 1849
GroomForename William
GroomSurname DANIELS
GroomAge
GroomParish Thorpe Hamlet
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Labourer
GroomAbode
BrideForename Sarah Ann
BrideSurname BUSH
BrideAge
BrideParish Thorpe Hamlet
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename Thomas
GroomFatherSurname DANIELS
GroomFatherOccupation Plasterer
BrideFatherForename Robert
BrideFatherSurname BUSH
BrideFatherOccupation Weaver
WitnessOneForename Thomas
WitnessOneSurname DANIELS
WitnessTwoForename Jemima
WitnessTwoSurname BUSH
Notes Groom Bride And Witness 2 Signed (X). Both Of Age

(from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl


1851
DANIEL, William Head Married M 25 1826 Lab Age
Norwich St Augustine
DANIEL, Sarah Ann Wife Married F 25 1826 Laundress
Morele, Norfolk
BUSH, Joseph Son In Law Unmarried M 4 1847
Heigham
DAINELS, Jermain Daughter Unmarried F 0 (11 MOS) 1851
Heigham
Piece: 1816
Folio: 419
Page: 34
Registration District: Norwich
Civil Parish: Hemlet of Heigham
Municipal Borough:
Address: Upper Gibralter, Hemlet Of Heigham
County: Norfolk

Yes, I think the birth cert is needed - with her mother born Ireland, we don't know where the father born, they could have married anywhere!

Marriages Mar 1855 (>99%)
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BUSH Rachel Forehoe 4b 273
NICHOLS John Forehoe 4b 273


County Norfolk
Place Besthorpe
Church All Saints Tr
RegisterNumber 238
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 12 Feb 1826
Forename Sarah Ann
Sex -
FatherForename Robert
MotherForename Rachael
FatherSurname BUSH
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation Labourer

Chris :)

Sarah Daniels was his mother not Mary's, so we're no nearer without knowing where/when they were married or having Julia's birth cert. I would guess Edward was English, because of the regiment, but this is not certain.

There are service records for an Edward Joyce (of 39th and 54th Foot) on FindMyPast

Wow! I'm blown away! Thank you all so much for all the information. It has all been so helpful, I can't articulate how grateful I am. I will definitely look into all of this and particularly into getting Julia's birth certificate. In particular, knowing that Mary's name before she married Joseph Bush was Joyce was helpful because I was a bit confused when I saw Julia living with the Bushes in the 1891 census.

I will let you all know if I find out any more information as I feel like you all deserve to know now!

Hi James, glad you are pleased wth the results so far. I'd be really interested in the outcome when you get Julia's birth certificate - hopefully if we get her mothers name we may be able to find her first marriage, and hopefully Edward on a census before he went to India.

Look forward to the next episode!