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Ellen Cannon b.c 1818 London

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Pamela

Pamela Report 8 Jan 2013 07:09

Ellen was born acc. to census 1851 onwards c.1818 in St.George in the East.
On her marriage record to George Tillcock 1843 All Hallows Tottenham her father is given as William Cannon, Blacksmith and is witnessed by George Conell and Margaret Cannon ?.

Please can you help in finding Ellens birth and parentage in fact more on the Cannon side.
The Tillcock side I have and know that George and Ellen brought up their family in Stanstead, George dying 1889 and Ellen 1898.

Pamela

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 8 Jan 2013 08:10

where have you already looked??


Just to save us duplicating your research

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 8 Jan 2013 08:15

you should note that her name be spelled Helen ......... or even Eleanor!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 8 Jan 2013 08:28

Name: Ellen Cannon
Spouse Name: George Tillcock
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Apr 1843
Parish: Tottenham All Hallows
Borough: Haringey
Father Name: William Cannon (Blacksmith)
Spouse Father Name: John Tillcock (Wheelwright)
Register Type: Parish Register
(abode for both as Tottenham, both Full Age)

Chris :)

1881
TILCOCK, George Head Married M 61 1820 Coachman
Ware, Hertfordshire
TILCOCK, Ellen Wife Married F 63 1818
London, Middlesex
TILCOCK, Charlotte Daughter Single F 28 1853
Stanstead, Hertfordshire
TILLCOCK (TILCOCK), Annie Grnd Daughter Single F 0 1881
Stanstead, Hertfordshire
LEWIS, Henry S Grand Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar
Walthamstow, Essex
Piece: 1400
Folio: 54A
Page: 8
Registration District: Ware
Civil Parish: Stanstead Abbots
Municipal Borough:
Address: Cats Hill, Stanstead Abbots
County: Hertfordshire

1861
TILLCOCK, George Head Married M 41 1820 Groom
Ware, Hertfordshire
TILLCOCK, Helen Wife Married F 43 1818 Grooms Wife
St George in the East, Middlesex
TILLCOCK, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845 Grooms Daughter
Ware, Hertfordshire
TILLCOCK, Henry Son Unmarried M 10 1851 Grooms Son
Stanstead, Hertfordshire
TILLCOCK, Eliza Daughter Unmarried F 8 1853 Scholar
Stanstead, Hertfordshire
TILLCOCK, Charlotte Daughter Unmarried F 8 1853 Scholar
Stanstead, Hertfordshire
TILLCOCK, Charley Son Unmarried M 6 1855 Scholar
Stanstead, Hertfordshire
TILLCOCK, William Son Unmarried M 3 1858
Stanstead, Hertfordshire
TILLCOCK, Ellen Daughter Unmarried F 2 1859
Stanstead, Hertfordshire
Piece: 804
Folio: 20
Page: 9
Registration District: Ware
Civil Parish: Stanstead
Municipal Borough:
Address: Stanstead Street, Stanstead
County: Hertfordshire

1841
ADAMS, Elizabeth F 76 1765 Hertfordshire
ADAMS, Jane F 45 1796
CANNON, Ellen F 18 1823 (Servant) (Not born County)
Piece: 436
Book/Folio: 5/18
Page: 8
Registration District: Hertford
Civil Parish: Bennington
Municipal Borough:
Address: Bennington Green, Bennington
County: Hertfordshire

1841
TILLCOCK, Geo M 21 1820 Hertfordshire (Ag. Lab.) (Born in County)
Piece: 436
Book/Folio: 5/8
Page: 11
Registration District: Hertford
Civil Parish: Bennington
Municipal Borough:
Address: Bennington Buildings, Bennington
County: Hertfordshire


1851 ?
CANNON, William Head Married M 67 1784 Black Smith
Bocking, Essex
CANNON, Ann Wife Married F 63 1788
Colchester, Essex
Piece: 1501
Folio: 681
Page: 41
Registration District: Islington
Civil Parish: Islington
Municipal Borough: Finsbury
Address: 2, Elder Walk, Islington, Finsbury
County: Middlesex

Pamela

Pamela Report 8 Jan 2013 09:37

Hi Sylvia, thank you for your interest. Ellen always appears in all records, census, marriage and death as such with one exception 'Helen' in 1861.

I have searched Ancestry, Familysearch and London Births and Baptisms but no luck so far.

Chris, thank you also, you have Ellen, George and their family.
What is interesting though is the 1851 census for William and Ann that for some reason I hadn't found, residing Islington Finsbury.
Earlier I had found what I believe is them in 1841 residing St.Botolph, William 50 Head occ. 'smith', Ann 45 both not of County. With them is John 20 and Sarah 14 both born in County.
Now as Ellen and George were married in Tottenham and I believe Islington/Finsbury and Tottenham are pretty close together (I'm in Australia so please forgive If I'm wrong)) this does look promising.

Again I thank you both for your interest and help.

Pamela

Vera

Vera Report 8 Jan 2013 11:02

???? I know age completely different.
Eleanor Cannon
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 Feb 1823
Father's Name: William Cannon trade
Mother's Name: Ann Cannon
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers



Regards Vera

Vera

Vera Report 8 Jan 2013 11:05

Just checked for Sarah with parents William and Ann..... fathers occupation shoemaker....so doesn't look like yours..sorry.

Regards Vera

Pamela

Pamela Report 8 Jan 2013 13:55

Thanks so much Vera.

I'm just wondering as Ellen always gives her birth place in census as St.George in the East is that anywhere near St.Botolph Aldgate which is where William, Ann,John and Sarah lived in 1841 and where I also have found a Baptism for Sarah b,1826, so that fits, father William occ Whitesmith, mother Ann.

Regards
Pamela

Vera

Vera Report 8 Jan 2013 14:18

I also saw the William occupation Whitesmith...whereas she stated her father on her marriage cert., was a blacksmith???


A whitesmith is a person who works with "white" or light-coloured metals such as tin and pewter. Unlike blacksmiths (who work mostly with hot metal), whitesmiths do the majority of their work on cold metal (although they might use a hearth to heat and help shape their raw materials). The term is also applied to metalworkers who do only finishing work – such as filing or polishing – on iron and other "black" metals. Whitesmiths fabricate items such as tin or pewter cups, water pitchers, forks, spoons, and candle holders and it was a common occupation in pre-industrial times.


Am not sure how far St George in the East is from St Botolph's Aldgate. Will check.

Regards Vera


Adeline

Adeline Report 8 Jan 2013 14:32

St George in the East and St Botolph's Aldgate - the two churches are about a mile apart.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 8 Jan 2013 15:53

Name: William Cannon
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 May 1828 (Born 2 Feb)
Father's Name: William Cannon (Smith)
Mother's Name: Ann Cannon
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Botolph, Aldgate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers
(2, Blackhorse Yard)

(another above)

Chris :)

(nothing for Ellen or a Margaret? though)

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 8 Jan 2013 19:29

whitesmith and blacksmith are 2 completely separate trades.

I doubt very much that a man would do both, or would switch from one to the other.



you might find this site interesting

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blacksmiths/index.htm

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 8 Jan 2013 19:40

I also wondered about that baptism of Eleanor Cannon in 1823, as the age fits with the Ellen Cannon on the 1841 Census.

Dea

Dea Report 8 Jan 2013 19:45

Can't work on it at the moment but I have been looking at this family:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about William Cannon
Name: William Cannon
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 21 Oct 1821
Father's Name: William Cannon
Mother's Name: Mary Cannon
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark St Saviour
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Baptisms:
Sarah Cannon 21 Oct 1821 William Cannon, Mary Cannon Southwark St Saviour Southwark
William Cannon 21 Oct 1821 William Cannon, Mary Cannon Southwark St Saviour Southwark



This one is a Smith!! ???

1841 census transcription details for: Miles Street, St Mary Lambeth, Kennington First, Lambeth
Print Close

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1055
Book/Folio: 11/27
Page: 17
Reg. District: Lambeth
Sub District: Kennington First
Parish: St Mary Lambeth
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Lambeth
Address: Miles Street, St Mary Lambeth, Kennington First, Lambeth
County: Surrey
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
TRIBE, Thomas M 50 1791
TRIBE, Rebecca F 45 1796 Surrey
TRIBE, Mary F 15 1826
TRIBE, Elizabeth F 15 1826
TRIBE, Hannah F 5 1836 Surrey
TRIBE, Thomas M 15 1826
TRIBE, William M 15 1826
TRIBE, George M 15 1826
TRIBE, James M 10 1831
TRIBE, Charles M 5 1836
TRIBE, Henry M 3 1838 Surrey
CANNON, William M 40 1801 Surrey Smith !!
CANNON, Mary F 35 1806 Surrey
WHITFIELD, William M 35 1806 Ireland
WHITFIELD, Sarah F 25 1816





London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Sarah Cannon
Name: Sarah Cannon
Spouse Name: William Bonet........BOND !!! - Painter
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1843
Parish: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: William Cannon Smith
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Bonet. BOND - Shoemaker
Register Type: Parish Register

Sarah's father is William a Smith (deceased).

Dea Xxx

Pamela

Pamela Report 9 Jan 2013 00:20

Now all this is giving me something to get my teeth into isn't it. Regarding the 'smith' part, I wonder if it may come down to whoever was writing the records as in some just the abrev. 'smith' is used and some Black/White.

Possibly Eleanor and Ellen are the same person considering no other Ellen's baptism is apparent.
I will try and follow to see if any 'Eleanor' Cannon shows up in any other records if only to elimate her.

Interesting that St.George and St. Botolph are so close together so could provide the link.

To Vera, Adeline, Sylvia and Dea my grateful thanks for taking an interest and help I will most certainly be following up everything you have provided.

Pamela