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i am even more confused i have come up with my nan and her siblings so on right track lol :-S :-S

Obviously got the generations mixed up.

I have PM'd the poster.

It's just the poster said Frances had a sibling called Lilian Mary.

EDIT - Perhaps Paula has confused offspring with siblings.

Kath. x

LOL - you two have obviously been enjoying yourselves, but did you spot that Paula only joined this year (2013) and that this is her first post?

She may not have realised that it would have been best to hang around, and answer queries ;-) :-D

Lilian Mary Harper b1919 was Frances' ( who died in 1958) daughter, not sibling.

I think I am too confused with this family now!!

The great grandma was Frances (who died in 1958) and she had a sister called Lilian born 1919 (I think).

Kath. x

Was it not Frances R Harper's mother Frances nee Bateman who died in 1958 ?

Frances Bateman
Birth 27 DEC 1883 in South Normanton, Derbyshire, England
PARENTS :
Thomas Bateman 1856 –
Sarah Harthill 1861 – 1901


5 Jul 1903
Age: 19 Marriage to Samuel Harper

Death 7 Feb1958 in Redditch, Worcestershire

The only likely death in 1958 that I can see is this one:-


Name: HARPER, Frances
Registration district: Bromsgrove
County: Worcestershire
Year of registration: 1958
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 74
Volume no: 9D
Page no: 46

This would make the year of birth around 1884 ??????

Even the death in 1958 for Frances R. Harper would make the birth year much earlier than 1916:-


Name: HARPER, Frances R
Registration district: Kings Lynn
County: Norfolk
Year of registration: 1958
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 73
Volume no: 4B
Page no: 610

I think we need some feedback from the poster.

Kath. x

Only marriage I can see for Frances R Harper

Marriages Jun 1946
Harper Frances R- Rae - Brackley 3b 9
Rae William D- Harper - Brackley 3b 9

Births Mar 1911
Harper Frances Dudley 6c 42

Poster's Gt Grandma born 1916


Perhaps the baby in 1911 census died ....

Deaths Jun 1912
Harper Frances - 1 - W.Bromwich 6b 792

I think this might be the parent's in the 1911 census (since the marriage if it's the right one was in Dudley):-

1911 census transcription details for: 4 Court 8 House Horseley Heath Tipton

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN17390 RG78PN1065 RD372 SD2 ED18 SN234
Reg. District: Dudley
Sub District: Tipton
Parish: Tipton
Enum. District: 18

Address: 4 Court 8 House Horseley Heath Tipton
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

HARPER, Samuel Head Married M 39 1872 Coal Wheeler Habbington Oxford
HARPER, Francess Wife Married 7 years F 29 1882 South Normanton Derbyshire
HARPER, Sophia Ann Daughter F 6 1905 Tipton Staffs
HARPER, Charles Samuel Son M 5 1906 Derbyshire
HARPER, John Thomas Son M 4 1907 West Bromwich Parish
HARPER, Francess Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Tipton Staffs <<<<<<<<<<<<(this is possibly the poster's great grandma)

Kath. x

Marriages Jun 1924
Harper Fanny M Priest Dudley 6b 2021

PRIEST Albert

??
Deaths Mar 1959
PRIEST Fanny 74 Birmingham 9c 107

This could be Frances' brother



Births Jun 1924
Harper Victor B - Bateman - Stourbridge 6c 96



Name: Victor Bernard Harper
Birth: Jun 24- Worcestershire, England
Death: 1974 - Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Marriage: Jun 1950 to Audrey Eileen DANKS - Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England

Parents: Samuel Harper, Frances Bateman

Births Jun 1902
HARPER Fanny Stourbridge 6c 159

Frances R born 1916 wouldn't be on 1911 census

Name: Samuel James Aston Harper
Age in 1911: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stourbridge, Worcestershire
Civil parish: Stourbridge
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 24 Cecil St, Stourbridge, Worcestershire
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Glass Cutter
Registration district: Stourbridge
Registration District Number: 373
Sub-registration district: Stourbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 32
Piece: 17482
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel James Aston Harper 37
Fanny Harper 40
Doris Aston Harper 11
Fanny Harper 9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ethel May Harper 7
Frank Aston Harper 4
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 17482; Schedule Number: 32;

parents ?
Marriages Sep 1903
Bateman Frances Dudley 6c 120
Harper Samuel Dudley 6c 120

so Lilian married Kings

Name: Lilian M Harper
Spouse Surname: Kings
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1938
Registration district: Bromsgrove
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume Number: 6c
Page Number: 685
Find Spouse: Alfred Kings

then READ no Reid

Name: Lilian M Kings
Spouse Surname: Read
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1960
Registration district: Bromsgrove
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 120
Find Spouse:William J Read



so who did Frances marry ?

8 Harper/Bateman children listed post 1911 on Freebmd. ( incl Lilian and Francis)