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Thomas Davies m Elizabeth ? C 1855 Liverpool

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Mary

Mary Report 8 Jan 2013 19:05

Please can anyone find the marriage of Thomas Davies b c 1824 Liverpool to Elizabeth b c1833 Raglan or Monmouth,around 1855 when his first child Thomas was born in Liverpool. The second child wasn't born till 1862 so was this a second marriage?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 8 Jan 2013 19:25

Mary these are such common names we need a bit more to go on.

Who was the second child?

Do you have the family on any census? Could you give us the details.

Choccy

Choccy Report 8 Jan 2013 19:31



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1861

RG number: RG09
Piece: 2711
Folio: 73
Page: 32
Reg. District: West Derby
Sub District: 2 Everton
Parish: Everton
Enum. District: 13
Ecclesiastical District: St Peters
City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: 46, Beresford Street, Everton, Liverpool
County: Lancashire

DAVIES, Thomas Head Married M 35 1826 Provision Dealer
Liverpool, Lancashire
DAVIES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 29 1832
Wales
DAVIES, Thomas Son Unmarried M 6 1855 Scholar
Liverpool, Lancashire

Choccy

Choccy Report 8 Jan 2013 19:32


1871

RG number: RG10
Piece: 3819
Folio: 132
Page: 11
Reg. District: West Derby
Sub District: Everton
Parish: Everton
Enum. District: 65
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: Hamilton Road, Everton, Liverpool
County: Lancashire

DAVIES, Thomas Head M 47 1824 Lancashire
DAVIES, Elizabeth Wife F 38 1833 Anglesey ****
DAVIES, Thomas Son M 16 1855 Lancashire
DAVIES, John O Son M 9 1862 Lancashire
DAVIES, Hugh R Son M 8 1863 Lancashire
DAVIES, Hannah J Daughter F 3 1868 Lancashire
DAVIES, Owen R Son M 2 1869 Lancashire
DAVIES, Joseph H Son M 1 1870 Lancashire



***NOTE - IT DOESN'T SAY ANGLESEY ON THE ORIGINAL!

It looks like Tregaen, Wales


safc

safc Report 8 Jan 2013 19:37

????

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1855
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DAVIES Thomas JONES Elizabeth Everton, St. George Liverpool 2018WD/3/28

Mary

Mary Report 8 Jan 2013 19:37

1891 census says Elizabeth is from Monmouth,the welsh link is confusing.1881transcript also says Thomas from Wales.

Mary

Mary Report 8 Jan 2013 19:41

I thought the Welsh place could read Raglan to tie in with Monmouth.No such place on map.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 8 Jan 2013 19:46

More detail on that 1855 marriage posted:

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name: Thomas Davies, bachelor.
Birth Year: abt 1832
Age: 23
Marriage Date: 2 May 1855
Parish: Everton St George
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Jones, spinster age 20.
Father's Name: Samuel Davies - Collier
Spouse Father's Name: Charles Jones - Porter

Bride and groom both resided Salisbury Street.

Witnesses Thomas Griffiths and Martha Griffiths.

Choccy

Choccy Report 8 Jan 2013 19:48


birth certificate of one of the children would confirm -


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Owen Rowland Davies
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1869
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 316



Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Owen Rowland Davies
Birth Date: 13 Feb 1860
Baptism Date: 19 Mar 1860
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name: Thomas Davies
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Davies




Mary

Mary Report 8 Jan 2013 19:49

Alas censuses say Elizabeth was about 9 years younger than Thomas!

Mary

Mary Report 8 Jan 2013 19:51

Thanks will try birth certificate.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 9 Jan 2013 14:00

on that 1855 marriage Thomas was a porter

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 9 Jan 2013 14:07

also a marriage possibility

groom's name: Thomas Davies
bride's name: Elizabeth Williams
marriage date: 23 Nov 1852
marriage place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
groom's father's name: Thomas Davies
bride's father's name: Richard Williams

or

groom's name: Thomas Davies
bride's name: Elizabeth Allcock
marriage date: 07 Jan 1855
marriage place: Saint Nicholas,Liverpool,Lancashire,England

there are others so a birth certificate really is needed

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 9 Jan 2013 14:21

given Oens middle name

???????

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1852
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DAVIES Thomas ROWLANDS Elizabeth Liverpool, St. David Liverpool 2099LP/4/294

edit - found the image and Thomas is a mariner father Thomas, El;izabeths father Owen plus Elizabeth was 'of full age' so born before 1832

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 9 Jan 2013 14:52

there is another Owen Rowland Davies, parents Thomas & Elizabeth baptised 1860, died 1860, father Thomas is a mariner on the baptism on John Owens baptism Thomas is a grocer of Everton

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 9 Jan 2013 15:13

where did you find that Elizabeth was born Monmouthshire please.

the 1891 I found Thomas seems to be a widower if I have the right one - son Owen still living with him

Mary

Mary Report 9 Jan 2013 16:51

1891 census West Derby St Katherine's Elizabeth 61 is a widow with daughter Hannah 28 with green grocer shop.Eliz b Monmouth( where I live now )

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 9 Jan 2013 17:36

this is the one I thought was Thomas in 1891 living in Strickland street Everton

Thomas Davies 70 - widower insurance agent (collector in 1881 which fits)
Owen Davies 23

Hannah seems a bit old there as she was only born in 1867/68 and Elizabeth from the other censuses would only have been 58

Mary

Mary Report 9 Jan 2013 19:29

I am a bit confused about Thomas - a grocer or an insurance agent? He or his wife is credited in family history with the invention / selling of Everton toffee at the Everton football grounds. :-D

mgnv

mgnv Report 9 Jan 2013 20:51

Seeing as Owen #1 was bp Liverpool St Peter, and that was where they lived in 1861, my vote is for:
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DAVIES Thomas OWENS Elizabeth Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/27/24
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/