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Porter Family

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Dougieb1

Dougieb1 Report 9 Jan 2013 22:03

I am trying to find out information about my Great Great Great Grandfather William Porter,his wife Mary(nee Crilley) & their daughter Ann Porter.
The information I have is as follows
Ann Porter was born about 1842 but I do not no whereabouts she was born.
She married my Great Great Grandfather Charles Brown in Glasgow in !870 although the appeared to be living in Edinburgh as they both gave an Edinburgh address.
Ann Porter's age was stated to be 28 years old when she got married.
She died in Dundee in 1878
On her marriage certificate her father William Porter's occupation was given as a "Slater"
Her mother was deceased when Ann got married in 1870.
I have tried to find out information about this family in both the Scottish & English records but have had no joy.
Any help would be appreciated.

Regards
Dougie.

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GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 9 Jan 2013 22:11

What is the occupation of Charles Brown on the marriage cert so we can identify the right couple on 1871 census as a couple of possible in Glasgow and Edinburgh

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 9 Jan 2013 22:13

1851 poss

Name: William Porter
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Porter
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Parish Number: 644/1
Civil parish: Glasgow St David
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 27 Cannon St
Occupation: Slater
ED: 10
Page: 2 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 7A
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1851_156
Household Members: Name Age
William Porter 47
Mary Porter 44 - Ireland
Eliza Porter 19 - Glasgow
Ann Porter 14 - Glasgow
Jean Porter 12 - Glasgow



This one would be too old

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 9 Jan 2013 22:30

The same family in 1841

Piece: SCT1841/644 Place: Glasgow -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 15
Civil Parish: Glasgow Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St David
Folio: 169 Page: 13
Address: Dempster Street


Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
PORTER William M 38 Slater Journeyman Ireland
PORTER Mary F 34 Ireland
PORTER Elizabeth F 9 Lanarkshire
PORTER Ann F 5 Lanarkshire
PORTER Jane F 3 Lanarkshire
PORTER Mary F 2m Lanarkshire

(Father's occupation SLATER)
She wouldn't be the first bride to knock a few years off her age.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 9 Jan 2013 22:33

Yes did check the 1841 for that family

But need to know the occupation of Charles Brown for the 1871 census

Dougieb1

Dougieb1 Report 9 Jan 2013 22:42

Charles Brown's occupation was given as a" warehouseman" on his marriage certificate.
I had suspicions that they may have originally come from Ireland as the name "Crilley" has Irish origins.

Cheers

Dougie

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 10 Jan 2013 00:29

Dougie,
You may need to check this...
If this is William, then 1st wife Mary died before 1853.
This looks like the same man. This William Porter married Jane Brownlie on 3 Jun 1853.

1861 Scotland Census
about William Porter
Name: William Porter
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Porter
Gender: Male
Where born: County Down, Ireland
Registration number: 644/7
Registration district: Milton
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 108 Maitland Street
Occupation: Slater (journeyman)
ED: 26
Household schedule number: 60
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1861_106
Household Members: Name Age
William Porter 56
Jane Porter 35
William Porter 6
James Porter 3
John Porter 8 Mo

1871 Scotland Census
about William Porter
Name: William Porter
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Porter
Gender: Male
Where born: Co Down, Ireland
Registration number: 644/7
Registration district: Milton
Civil parish: Glasgow St George
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 5 Roslin Place
Occupation: Slater
ED: 20
Household schedule number: 6
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1871_134
Household Members: Name Age
William Porter 65
Jane Porter 44
William Porter 16
James Porter 13
Haggie Porter 6
John Brownlie 15
William Fleming 18


1881 Scotland Census
about William Porter
Name: William Porter
Age: 78
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Porter
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration number: 644/8
Registration district: Milton
Civil parish: Glasgow St George
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 5 Roslin Place
Occupation: Slater
ED: 19
Household schedule number: 30
Line: 20
Roll: cssct1881_232
Household Members: Name Age
William Porter 78
Jane Porter 57
James Porter 23
Hance Porter 16
Margaret Brownlie 14



William is not on 1891 census
1891 Scotland Census
about Jane Porter
Name: Jane Porter
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire
Registration number: 644/8
Registration district: Milton
Civil parish: Glasgow St George
Town: Glasgow
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 29 Abercorn St
ED: 13
Household schedule number: 69
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1891_270
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Porter 67
William Porter 35
James Porter 32
James Brother 65
James Porter 11

1901 Scotland Census
about Jane Porter
Name: Jane Porter
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Stirling, Stirling
Registration number: 644/8
Registration district: Milton
Civil parish: Glasgow St George
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 29 Abercorn St
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 82
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1901_293
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Porter 75
James Porter 37
James Porter 30
James Brownlee 73


Anne











rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 10 Jan 2013 13:26

???

1871

Name: Charles Brown
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Anne Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire
Registration number: 685/2
Registration district: St Andrew
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 4 East St James St
Occupation: Shop Assistant
ED: 70
Household schedule number: 102
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1871_160
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Brown 31
Anne Brown 28 Born GLASGOW <<<<<<<<<<<<


So looks hopeful that the 1851 census posted by Glitterbaby and the 1841 census posted by BeverleyW are the correct family.

1851

Name: Ann Porter
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: William Porter
Mother's Name: Mary Porter
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
Parish Number: 644/1
Civil parish: Glasgow St David
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 27 Cannon St
Occupation: Starch Pack
ED: 10
Page: 2 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 7A
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1851_156
Household Members: Name Age
William Porter 47 b. Ireland, occ. SLATER
Mary Porter 44 b. Ireland
Eliza Porter 19 b. Glasgow, occ. Silk Winder
Ann Porter 14
Jean Porter 12 b. Glasgow, occ. Errand Girl


1841

Name: William Porter
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Glasgow St David
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Dempster Street
Occupation: Slater J
Parish Number: 644/1
Household Members: Name Age
William Porter 38
Mary Porter 34
Elizabeth Porter 9
Anne Porter 5
Jane Porter 3
Mary Porter 2 Mo




???

name: William Porter
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 31 Mar 1803
baptism/christening place: DOWNPATRICK,DOWN,IRELAND
father's name: William Porter
mother's name: Eliza
indexing project (batch) number: C70003-1
system origin: Ireland-ODM
source film number: 0823636 IT 10



Dougieb1

Dougieb1 Report 10 Jan 2013 17:37

The Information found about Charles Brown is probably correct as he was born in Old Deer,Aberdeenshire about 1838.
I have found now a death certificate for Jane Porter(nee Brownlie)
Jane died in 1903 in Glasgow
It would appear that she had been married to a David Ramsay(occupation Cabinet Maker) prior to marrying William Porter.
As William Porter & his wife Mary(nee Crilley) both came from Ireland I can only assume that they were married there.
William Porter's birthplace is County Down.
As yet I have been unable to find a date of death for either William Porter or Mary Porter(nee Crilley).
I would like to thank everyone who has assisted me so far with information on this family.
It is very much appreciated.

Regards,

Dougie

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 10 Jan 2013 20:32

Hi Dougie,
I looked for William's death too and could not find it on SP. There is no Will either.

As Mary (Crilly) died before statutory records began in 1855, if, any death info is held, it would be on a mortcloth record
The mortcloths do not provide much info, even when there is one.

Anne

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 10 Jan 2013 21:44

Dougie,
by sheer coincidence, I too have spent my afternoon seeking another Glasgow family called Porter. I have not found any connection between yours and mine but in my search, I may have stumbled upon Jane Porter, daughter of William and Mary and sister to Ann.

You would of course, need to look at this marriage.
Jane Porter married Andrew Rose Knight in Milton, Glasgow on 30 Dec 1859.
Children:
Andrew McLean Knight b 28 Dec 1860 Glasgow
William Knight b 3 Jan 1863 Glasgow
( 2nd son is traditionally named for maternal g/father)
George Knight b 2 Mar 1865 Glasgow
John Knight b 2 Jul 1867 Glasgow
Donald Knight 7 Apr 1869 Glasgow
Mary Knight b 9 Jul 1871 Glasgow
(1st dau is traditionally named for maternal g/mother)
**CHARLES BROWN KNIGHT b 24 Apr 1874**
Margaret Knight bc 1876 Glasgow
James Knight bc 1879 Glasgow

Jane Knight previously Porter died in Glasgow 1916
Anne

Dougieb1

Dougieb1 Report 11 Jan 2013 17:21

Hello Anne,

I have checked.
Jane Knight previously Porter was the daughter of William Porter & Mary Crilley
Thank you for your assistance.
I have found information about this family a bit of a challange.
My suspicions have always been that William Porter & Mary originally came from Ireland & may have still been living there
I had always wondered why Ann Porter who was living in Edinburgh had come through to Glasgow to marry Charles Brown.
Obviously her family were living there & that was the reason

Regards,

Dougie
:-)

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 11 Jan 2013 19:51

Hi Dougie,
Good. I was pretty sure that this was the right Jane Porter.
If you ever do find her father's death cert, let me know who his parents were and I will check the death cert for another Mr Porter.
I have also been looking at a family called Porter who lived in Glasgow at the same time.
The father was called Alexander Porter, and he too was born in Ireland circa 1800.
I know this man died between 1871 and 1881.
As a rule, I don't research families of people who married into my family but I have been looking at this Alexander's children in a vain attempt to find his missing grandsons.
His own son was married into my family, but died in 1877.
The widowed wife applied for relief with her younger boys education, so I know exactly where everyone was at that point (1877)

3 out of 4 sons , simply vanish with no trace of them or their widowed mother on any 1881 census or afterwards ( would be aged between 12 and 18yrs at 1881)
Their mother re married in 1885 and died in 1888.

Anne

Dougieb1

Dougieb1 Report 12 Jan 2013 05:43

Hello Anne,

I have found the death certificate for William Porter.
He died in 1874 but his age at the time of his death is shown as 68 years old.
Could the registrar have recorded the wrong date?
It is the same person as his occupation is given as "slater" & the informant was his wife Jane Porter.
William Porter's parents were William Porter & Elizabeth Porter(nee Dunlop)
This family's ancestry has certainly been a challenge.

Regards,

Dougie