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Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 12 Jan 2013 11:23

Each case is different of course, but my mother used to tell me of visiting my Dad's maiden aunt in Sussex, even telling me of the type of clothes aunt wore.
By all accounts she was the typical spinster daughter, who stayed at home to look after her parents.
She did live at home, but I was surprised to find by research ( and certificates) that she had married and by extended family anecdotes that let's just say she 'led an interesting life in a sea-going community '.

Suprises do happen.

Gwyn

Diane

Diane Report 11 Jan 2013 14:50

Just went over all the threads Minnie Trevithic Champion nee Thomas died in 1974 so this is definitely not her. I still think my Minnie was a spinster when she died unless another marriage can be found about the same period.

Diane

Diane Report 11 Jan 2013 14:26

She lived with Kitty while both were alive. Online can only find electoral roles up till 1963. I do know they moved to a flat in the 70's. Probably because the old propertys were going to be refurbished they were moved to newer homes. They were still in the Tottenham area. I think Kitty died first and Nin went into a home I will check again with my mum if she can remember.

Diane

Diane Report 11 Jan 2013 14:20

Yes she would have been in the 70's. Unfortunately my Dad and his sister both passed last year. When I told my mum that I truly believe Nin was Minnie she was surprised as she had never heard her referred to as anything other Nin. I do have one aunt left and perhaps she might know something. Not sure how I would find out if she left a will any ideas. It still remains a mystery however why a death record cant be found. If as was suggested she is Minnie who married Arthur in 1915 they may have must have split up and she lived with the Flemings from the 1940's. Never heard before that she could have been married but I guess its highly possible.

To confirm about Minnie Alice Champion yes this was the one I found.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Jan 2013 14:06

I think you missed this query - have you any idea how long she carried on living in the house?
Jan :-)

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 11 Jan 2013 14:03

Do you think that Minnie might have been left something in your aunt Kitty's Will?

If so, the document might give her full name, which would help identify her.


Gwyn

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Jan 2013 13:59

So - you are saying you believe she was born 1900-1910 give or take? So roughly would have been in her 70's 1975? Does the photo fit that?
Also - long shot! - wondering if any other family members/friend might know a bit more -is there anyone with whom you are not in touch that might?
jan

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Jan 2013 13:58

is this the one you found?
ame: Minnie Alice Champion
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1900
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 438

Name: Minnie Alice Champion
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1900
Father's Name: Charles David Champion
Mother's Name: Minnie Alice Champion
Parish or Poor Law Union: Limehouse Fields St Matthew
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers


record annotated born 8th May 1900


not seeing a marriage for her

Diane

Diane Report 11 Jan 2013 13:49

Im not offended about the marriage question. Yes hundred percent checked the year it was 1975 and yes she is in the photo. There is her, we knew her as Nin, Kitty Fleming and her sisters Bella and my Nan Frances. Its about the last photo where they are altogether. The strange thing is and why I am so curious is that she was just Nin that lived with Aunty Kit. I have found a Minni Champion in two school admission records Dalglesh Street School in 1905 but I think she was Minnie Alice father named as Charles. She appears to have been transferred to Copperfield Road School in 1906 and there is a brother Charles. I have found a baptism record for minnie alice father charles and mother minnie alice. What do you think could this be her.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Jan 2013 13:27

There are precious few deaths in Haringey for Champions - of any age!
I know it's just a freaky co-incidence because of what you say, but before we dismiss the Minnie above can I just ask 2 questions? Please don't be offended but just to be 100% sure.
Firstly, mad as it sounds, are you definite about the year that marriage took place? And that the person in the photo is Minnie?
Have you checked electoral register for later years? Just wondering how long she lived there.
jan

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Jan 2013 12:45

If she never married then there should be a birth record but cant see one .

Have you tried looking for a death in the Haringey reg district for the surname Champion with an approx age you think she may have been.

Diane

Diane Report 11 Jan 2013 11:02

Charles F Fleming was Kitty Fleming's brother. He was my Fathers uncle. He never married either. The Flemings were Grandmothers family. In 1946 Charles F, Harriet Fleming my Dads Gran, Kitty and Bill and Minnie were all living at 109 Welbourne Road Tolttenham. They would have been of similar age. It appears that maybe Minni went to live with them after the war as she does not appear in the 30's when the Flemings were living there.

Reggie

Reggie Report 11 Jan 2013 10:22

Who was Charles F Fleming, who was registered to vote at the address in 1962?

Kitty was born in 1906, so one would imagine that her 'friend and companion' would be of a similar age

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Jan 2013 09:59

Have you any idea of her age?
Jan

Diane

Diane Report 11 Jan 2013 08:51

The Minni Trevithie Champion you found is the one I found and I really thought it must be her until I checked her death record she died in 1974. In 1975 I was a bridesmaid at my cousins wedding and my Minnie, Nin or what ever her name was is standing there in a photo as clear as day. The coincidence of a name in the same area is amazing. No I'm sure she was not married at any time, so I was told, my Aunt Kitty Fleming who she lived with for all those years was a spinster when she died in 1982. I was told that my lady went into a home in the Tottenham area I think she may have died after Kitty in 1982 but not too sure.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Jan 2013 00:22

Only problem with above - here is Arthur's death. So I am not sure why she would have been a companion, unless they parted obviously:

Name: Arthur Nehemiah Champion
Birth Date: 1894
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1973
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5b
Page: 1749

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Jan 2013 00:19


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Minnie Trevithic Thomas
Name: Minnie Trevithic Thomas
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Arthur Nehemiah Champion
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Dec 1915
Parish: Tottenham St Ann
Borough: Haringey
Father Name: Harry Thomas
Spouse Father Name: William Champion
Register Type: Parish Register

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Jan 2013 00:17

Name: Minnie Trevithic Champion
Birth Date: 10 Apr 1886
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1974
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Haringey
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5b
Page: 2297

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Jan 2013 00:16

Do you know if she was married? Just wondering:

Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%)
Champion Arthur N Thomas Edmonton 3a 1575
Thomas Minnie T Champion Edmonton 3a 1575

Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
THOMAS Minnie Trevithic Edmonton 3a 264

Diane

Diane Report 10 Jan 2013 23:23

Thanks to all those that answered. My lady has named herself Minnie T Champion. She was a friend and companion to my fathers aunt. She appears to have lived with the family from 1946 in Tottenham 109 Welbourne Road through till 1963. The family only ever referred to her as Nin. I have found a Minni T Champion who died in 1974 in Harringey. This is not her because I attended a wedding in 1975 and she is in the photograph. There is no one in the family I can ask about her now and I was just curious to discover if I could find any thing about her. If as some of you say you dont have to use your birth name then I guess she will remain a mystery.
Thanks again
Diane