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Cherilyn
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11 Jan 2013 09:04 |
Seeking information please on several convict brothers, sons of Anthony WEBB of Oxfordshire.
I have found permissions to marry for one but no idea if he married one or both (or neither!)
He was Anthony WEBB (b. c1800), arr on 'Marmion' - permission to marry Mary WICKS (arr 'Siren') in 1838 then permission to marry Ann BURTON (arr 'Hydery') in 1840!
I have a likely death for him in Victoria aged 61 in 1861 but no trace of a family.
His brothers were Jas (c1802, arr 'Susan'), Thos (c1804, arr Barossa?), and Wm (c1812, also 'Susan'). Another brother, Robert c1817, died on the 'Susan'.
Any help tracking them down much appreciated! Thank you.
:-)
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Gee
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11 Jan 2013 11:06 |
New South Wales, Australia, Registers of Convicts' Applications to Marry, 1826-1851 Name: James Webb Snt: 7 years Age: 35 Birth Year: Abt 1802 Spouse: Margaret Mullaw Request Status: Granted <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Date of Permission/Refusal: 15 Aug 1837 New South Wales, Australia, Registers of Convicts' Applications to Marry, 1826-1851 Name: James Webb Snt: 7 years Age: 35 Birth Year: Abt 1802 Spouse: Mullane Request Status: Refused <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Date of Permission/Refusal: 26 Aug 1837 Alias: Mullin, cannot be allowed as Mullane having declared on arrival that she was married
New South Wales, Australia, Registers of Convicts' Applications to Marry, 1826-1851 Name: James Webb Snt: 7 years Age: 35 Birth Year: Abt 1802 Spouse: Margaret Mullan Request Status: Granted <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Date of Permission/Refusal: 3 Oct 1837
Im thinking this is the marriage of the couple above, mistranscribed
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 Name: James Webb Spouse Name: Margaret Melam Marriage Date: 1837 Marriage Place: New South Wales Registration Place: Abercrombie District, Bathurst, New South Wales Registration Year: 1837 Volume Number: V
I think the ship James (The above James) arrived on is called 'Minerva' so may not be your man or he forgot the name of the ship?
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Gee
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11 Jan 2013 11:16 |
From a tree at Ancestry
Thomas Webb merry Family Tree Birth: 1804 - Oxfordshire, England Marriage: 1861 - Victoria, Australia Death: 1885 - Leopold, Victoria, Australia Spouse: Ann Nixon
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 Name: Thomas Webb Spouse Name: Ann Nixon Marriage Place: Victoria Registration Place: Victoria Registration Year: 1861 Registration number: 2548 If it's your man, he would have getting on a bit to marry in 1861?
This could be his first marriage?
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 Name: Thomas Webb Spouse Name: Mary Campbell Marriage Date: 3 Feb 1840 Marriage Place: Tasmania Registration Place: Launceston, Tasmania Registration Year: 1840 Registration number: 823
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AnnCardiff
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11 Jan 2013 12:42 |
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name: Robert Webb event: Census event date: 1861 gender: Male age: 44 relationship to head of household: Head birthplace: Hook Norton, Oxfordshire record type: Household registration district: Banbury sub-district: 1 Bloxham ecclesiastical parish: civil parish: Hook Norton county: Oxfordshire
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AnnCardiff
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11 Jan 2013 12:42 |
Robert Webb England and Wales Census, 1841 birth 1816 Oxfordshire census 1841 Bampton, Oxfordshire, England Robert Webb England and Wales Census, 1841 birth 1816 Oxfordshire census 1841 Henley Oxon, Oxfordshire, England
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AnnCardiff
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11 Jan 2013 12:48 |
Thomas Webb, one of 350 convicts transported on the Barrosa, 27 August 1841 Name, Aliases & Gender Name: Thomas Webb Aliases: none Gender: - Median life span was 65 years*
* Median life span based on contributions Conviction & Transportation Sentence Severity
Sentenced to 15 years Crime: - Convicted at: Oxfordshire Assizes Sentence term: 15 years Ship: Barrosa Departure date: 27th August, 1841 Arrival date*: 27th April, 1842 Place of arrival Van Diemen's Land Passenger manifest Travelled with
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alviegal
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11 Jan 2013 14:09 |
Don't know if you have this for Thomas.
UK, Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books, 1802-1849 about Thomas Webb Name: Thomas Webb Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805 Date Received: 25 Mar 1841 Ship: Warrior Place Moored: Chatham and Woolwich Date Convicted: 27 Feb 1841 Place Convicted: Oxford
Convicted for sheepstealing, married with 4 children, could neither read nor write. Described as ' an idle, bad character of disreputable conduct.' Disposed of to Van Dieman's Land on board the 'Barrosa' 16 Aug 1841.
Australian Convict Transportation Registers – Other Fleets & Ships, 1791-1868 about Thomas Webb Name: Thomas Webb Vessel: Barrosa Convicted Date: 27 Feb 1841 Voyage Date: 27 Aug 1841 Colony: Van Dieman's Land Place of Conviction: Oxfordshire, England
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alviegal
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11 Jan 2013 14:19 |
Is this the father with his sons William and Anthony jnr? All sentenced to death for sheepstealing.
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about Anthony Webb Name: Anthony Webb Date of Trial: Summer 1827 Trial Year: 1827 Location of Trial: Oxfordshire, England Sentence: Death
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about William Webb Name: William Webb Date of Trial: Summer 1827 Trial Year: 1827 Location of Trial: Oxfordshire, England Sentence: Death
UK, Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books, 1802-1849 about Anthy Webb Name: Anthy Webb Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Date Received: 26 Sep 1827 Ship: York Place Moored: Portsmouth Date Convicted: 25 Jul 1827 Place Convicted: Oxford
UK, Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books, 1802-1849 about Anthy Webb Name: Anthy Webb Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1772 Date Received: 26 Sep 1827 Ship: York Place Moored: Portsmouth Date Convicted: 25 Jul 1827 Place Convicted: Oxford
Anthony snr 55 and jnr 26 held aboard the same hulk for sheepstealing. Both sent to NSW for life on 30 Oct. Had been sentenced on 25th July 1827 at Oxford,.
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Cherilyn
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12 Jan 2013 07:51 |
Yes that's them alviegal, thank you. I don't think Anthony snr made it here, can't find him so maybe he died before the ship left the UK?
Thanks Gins and Ann...you have given me more to go on with.... :-)
EDIT: Just checked out the Thos who married Mary CAMPBELL in Tassie and he arrived aboard 'Surrey.' Though there was a Thos WEBB who arrived on 'Marmion' (same as Anthony) so now it has me wondering...he applied to marry Frances ELSOM (arr 'Majestic') in 1840.
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Cherilyn
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12 Jan 2013 07:58 |
alviegal - with the Thos record you posted- is 'Warrior' the UK ship and then Barrosa the actual transport ship? (ie do the 2 records refer to the same fellow?)
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Cherilyn
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12 Jan 2013 08:05 |
BUT the 1861 marriage in Victoria for Thomas actually looks good as they had a son named Job, which was a family name...found a possiblde death in the same area in 1885 aged 85, bit out but who knows, if was illiterate he may have lost track haha!
:-)
Now just James, Anthony & Wm to work out!
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alviegal
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12 Jan 2013 15:34 |
Hi , yes they are the same person.
'Warrier' was the hulk on which they were imprisoned before being transported on the 'Barrosa'.
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alviegal
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12 Jan 2013 15:45 |
There is also this for Anthony snr. Not sure I understand it as it is a different hulk and the column of how he was 'disposed of' is left blank.
UK, Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books, 1802-1849 about Anty Webb Name: Anty Webb Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1772 Date Received: 26 Sep 1827 Ship: Hardy Place Moored: Portsmouth Date Convicted: 25 Jul 1827 Place Convicted: Oxford
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Cherilyn
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13 Jan 2013 09:24 |
Hmm this lot are a puzzle! :-S
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