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Penny, to dispel any doubts that it is the same person in 1891 and 1911...the five generations are Fanny with (Clara) May Cording her daughter, with Gertrude May, her daughter, with Joan her daughter and Paul her son.

Hi everyone - here at last! Had to go and pick my new specs up!!

May was actually Clara May (although she was always known as May in her family apparently) - yes she married my grandad Cording in 1909 and is living in Dewstow Street Newport with her mother-in-law.

If you look at the image of the 1911 census it's actually five children of whom three are still living - so two died. Yes that was my idea she was in hospital somewhere. It isdefinitely the same Fanny all the way as the 1911 census shows they had been married 24 years.

Off to watch the footie now......

Jude

I cannot find a marriage for May with the surname Conding....although the image of that name isn't clear... co?ding

Regards Vera

1911
although May is shown on the 1911 with her parents she has been put on in error ( crossed out)

Condition /
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
HYDE, William Head Married M 53 1858 Wire Drawer Warwick Birmingham VIEW
HYDE, Fanny Wife Married24 years F 41 1870 House Duties Stourport VIEW
HYDE, William Son Single M 16 1895 Wire Drawer Warwick Birmingham VIEW
HYDE, Harry Son Single M 8 1903 School Mon Newport VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 31984
Reference: RG14PN31984 RG78PN1840 RD587 SD2 ED25 SN317
Registration District: Newport
Sub District: Newport
Enumeration District: 25
Parish: Newport
Address: 44 Witham Street Newport Mon
County: Monmouthshire



Regards Vera

are we given to assume that dau May has married by 191, and beome Conding?

If so, the number of children born/living is squew-whiff anyway

Only thing Penny, I realise she has dropped a few years from her age but the birth place for Fanny is the same 1891 &1911

Jude, they lost 3 children do you have any idea of their identities? Just wonder if she was in hospital in 1901 and just listed under her initial.

Where was May born please?
Its concievable that he was a widow and re-married - another Francis/Fanny or similar. Have you checked Harrys birth cert for MMN?

My great grandparents William Hyde and Fanny Cox married 25 December 1886 at St Thomas Kidderminster.

In 1891 they are with my gran

Name: William Hyde
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Fanny Hyde
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham
Civil parish: Kings Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas in the Moore
Town: Balsall Heath
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Poplar Terrace Balsall Heath King's Norton
Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2352
Folio: 9
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hyde 36
Fanny Hyde 25
May Hyde 6/12

The actual image for my gran says 2 + 6 months which fits with her borth date of 04 September 1888.

This is the family in 1901

Name: William Hyde
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Northfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Selly Oak St Mary
County/Island: Worcestershire
Condition as to marriage: Appears to say Widower
Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 156
Piece: 2808
Folio: 46
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hyde 46
Mary Hyde 12
William E Hyde 5

And then in 1911 Fanny is resurrected!

Name: William Hyde
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Briningham, Wannock
Civil parish: Newport
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: 44 Witham St Newport Mon
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 24
Estimated Marriage Year: 1887
Occupation: Anni Drawer
Registration district: Newport
Registration District Number: 587
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Household schedule number: 317
Piece: 31984
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hyde 53
Fanny Hyde 41
Fray Conding 23
William Hyde 16
Harry Hyde 8

I have recently found a "5 generations photograph" that appeared in a local paper in 1953 where the oldest person is Mrs F.J. Hyde. I had always assumed she was named Fanny at birth (had a GRO reference that matched this) but prompted by this photo and the fact that my grandfather always called her Frances, I sent for a certificate for Frances Jane Cox and it was indeed her; born 20 July 1865.

When she died later that year in 1953, it was recorded as Frances J Hyde.

SO MY QUESTION IS....can anyone find her in 1901 as either Fanny or Frances Hyde? She certainly wasn't deceased as William appears to suggest ;-)