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ErikaH
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8 Feb 2013 12:14 |
tania
You might care to contact Elaine by clicking on her name
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8 Feb 2013 12:09 |
Have we been able to ascertain what happened to Eliza Lowis Kirk b 1848 who married George Ayre? It would appear that the death mentioned above in 1891 may be incorrect as that Eliza Kirk was married to Moses Ayre.
The Eliza Lowis Kirk who died in 1928 is a different (but related) Eliza Kirk.
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8 Feb 2013 10:46 |
Hello Everyone Thanks for this great information. I too am researching this family and trying to find what happened to Alfred Kirk Born 1873 to Eliza Louis Kirk and unknown father in Cambridgeshire. I agree this death in 1889 seems unlikely given the father's name.
Any other suggestions for Alfred much appreciated.
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Chris Ho :)
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13 Jan 2013 16:57 |
(perhaps not!)
Burial County Lincolnshire Place Cleethorpes Church Municipal Cemetery RegisterNumber BurialDate 20 Mar 1889 Forename Alfred Relationship Son of Rel1MaleForename William Rel1FemaleForename Eliza Rel1Surname KIRK Surname KIRK Age 15 Abode Thorold St NC Notes Died 16 Mar 1889
Chris :)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
(from above link)
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Elaine
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13 Jan 2013 10:26 |
Thanks - the other two bits I am working on are ELiza's son Alfred's death (this could be him)and where Jemmina (ELiza Lowis Kirk's sister went. She was born in 1838 and married Matthew Cutting. They have several children but then don't appear and I havent been able to find immigration records for them.
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Chris Ho :)
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13 Jan 2013 09:05 |
Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------- AYRE Ada Grimsby 7a 1342 Curry Mary Alice Grimsby 7a 1342 Platt Charles Grimsby 7a 1342 Willerton Jesse Grimsby 7a 1342
Marriages Mar 1900 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------- Ayre Emily Grimsby 7a 880 BORMAN Edmund Grimsby 7a 880 Brown Kate Elizabeth Grimsby 7a 880 Sallis William Grimsby 7a 880
1901 PLATT, Ada Wife Married F 25 1876 Barton on Humber, Lincolnshire PLATT, George H Son M 3 1898 Grimsby, Lincolnshire AYRE, Maude M Sister Single F 16 1885 General Servant (Domestic) Barton on Humber, Lincolnshire TOPPLE, John Boarder Married M 31 1870 Coal Porter Grimsby, Lincolnshire TOPPLE, Louisa A Boarder Married F 27 1874 Hull, Yorkshire TOPPLE, Polly Boarder F 6 1895 Grimsby, Lincolnshire TOPPLE, George H Boarder M 1 1900 Grimsby, Lincolnshire Piece: 3094 Folio: 158 Page: 10 Registration District: Grimsby Civil Parish: Clee Municipal Borough: Address: 22, Trinity Street, Clee, Grimsby County: Lincolnshire
1901 Boarder Single M 39 1862 General Labourer Scotland BENNETT, Charles Boarder Married M 33 1868 Ships Engineer Bethnal Green, London BENNETT, Florence Boarder Married F 30 1871 Hull, Yorkshire SALLIS, William Boarder Married M 27 1874 Fisherman Nottingham, Nottinghamshire SALLIS, Emily Boarder Married F 23 1878 Barton, Lincolnshire SALLIS, Maggie Boarder Single F 5 1896 Renishaw, Derbyshire SALLIS, Alfred Boarder Single M 2 1899 Grimsby, Lincolnshire SALLIS, Mary Boarder Single F 0 (5 MOS) 1901 Grimsby, Lincolnshire Piece: 3092 Folio: 37 Page: 11 Registration District: Grimsby Civil Parish: Great Grimsby Municipal Borough: Address: 99, Orwell Street, Great Grimsby, Grimsby County: Lincolnshire
Births Jun 1884 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------- Ayre Maud Mary Glanford B. 7a 730
(other sister)
Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------------------- AYRE Maude Mary Grimsby 7a 1371 COLLIER William Charles Grimsby 7a 1371 REED Alphoeus John Grimsby 7a 1371 Thorndyke Nellie Grimsby 7a 1371
1911 COLLIER, William Charles Head Married M 26 1885 Casual Labourer Lincolnshire Grismby COLLIER, Maude Mary Wife Married4 years F 26 1885 Lincolnshire Barton COLLIER, Mable Maude Daughter F 3 1908 Lincolnshire Grinsby COLLIER, Ireebe Winirfered Daughter F 1 1910 Lincolnshire Grinsby RG number: RG14 Piece: 19983 Reference: RG14PN19983 RG78PN1197B RD422 SD1 ED33 SN83 Registration District: Grimsby Sub District: Great Grimsby Enumeration District: 33 Parish: Cleethorpes Address: 31 Sussex St New Cleethorpes Grimsby County: Lincolnshire
(where is Maude Mary 1891?)
Chris :)
(can see above, if girls Marriage Certs., hold a clue!)
Deaths Mar 1889 (>99%) ------------------------------------------- Kirk Alfred 15 Caistor 7a 417
(not sure if Alfred)
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Elaine
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13 Jan 2013 03:29 |
HI Everyone again
My apologies for not including ELiza's middle name which is as you have found "Lowis" - I have also found some variations such as Lowess and Louis. The two ELiza Lowis Kirks in my family are the one born in 1968 with Gabriel as her eldest and later married to George Ayre (we know this from documents belonging to Gabriel Kirk) and her niece, Eliza Lowis Kirk, daughter of ELiza's brother John Lowis Kirk. Kirk seems to have been a common name around the area.
Thank you for finding Ada Ayre and Emily Ayre. That suggests to me that Eliza stayed in England. Just need to find nw when she died. Elaine
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Elaine
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13 Jan 2013 00:50 |
Hi Everyone
Thank you for your quick and comprehensive responses. In answer to Reggie's question re Gabriel travelling alone - I have been unable to evidence of any other member of the family travelling with him. Also, there are many family stories and photos stil around from soon after the time he arrived in Rockhampton and no mention of any siblings or parents. Gabriel married Lois Essex in Rockhampton in 1895 and many of the family lived to an old age and stayed in the area. My 92 year old Dad remembers Gabriel but no other family members. However, I still have not discounted the possibility. ELaine
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2013 11:28 |
Are you certain, Elaine, that Gabriel travelled alone when he emigrated?
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2013 11:24 |
I think this is the one who died in 1891
1891 England Census about Eliza Ayre Name: Eliza Ayre Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Moses Ayre Gender: Female Where born: Moulton Chapel, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: Pinchbeck Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Pinchbeck County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England
Registration district: Spalding Sub-registration district: Pinchbeck ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2559 Folio: 5 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age Moses Ayre 16 Eliza Ayre 43 Mary Jane Ayre 15 Rose Annie Ayre 12 Ada Ayre 9 Sarah Beatrice Ayre 3
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2013 11:20 |
The death to match the burial
Deaths Sep 1891 (>99%) Ayre Eliza 43 Spalding 7a 207
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2013 11:16 |
1881 England Census
Name: Eliza Ayre Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George Ayre Gender: Female Where born: Wisbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Civil parish: Barton St Mary County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street Address: Pasture Rd Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status:
View image Occupation: Quarryman Wife Registration district: Glanford Brigg Sub-registration district: Barton ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3291 Folio: 60 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age George Ayre 53 Eliza Ayre 33 Gabrel Kirk 11 Alfred Kirk 7 Ada Ayre 5 Emily Ayre 3
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12 Jan 2013 11:12 |
Burial (not sure if her) First name(s): Eliza Last name: AYRE Date of burial 13 Aug 1891 Age at death: 43 Calculated year of birth: 1848 Place of burial Pinchbeck Dedication: St Mary County: Lincolnshire
Chris :)
edis (No, she is with husband Moses 1891)
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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12 Jan 2013 11:10 |
must be this Eliza .his sister so not your Eliza
Name: John Lowis Kirk Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Kirk Gender: Male Where born: Walsoken, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Wisbech St Peter County/Island: Cambridgeshire Country: England Street Address: South Brink Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status:
View image Occupation: Farmer (Of 13 Acres) Registration district: Wisbech Sub-registration district: Wisbech ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1695 Folio: 48 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age John Lowis Kirk 53 Sarah Kirk 46 John L. Kirk 19 James L. Kirk 17 Eliza L. Kirk 15 >>> Robert M. Kirk 10 George E.M. Kirk 5 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1695; Folio: 48; Page: 5; GSU roll: 1341405.
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2013 11:09 |
Elaine
Didn't you notice the AGE of the one who died in 1928?
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 Name: Eliza L Kirk Birth Date: abt 1866 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1928 Age at Death: 62 Registration district: Wisbech Inferred County: Norfolk Volume: 3b Page: 597
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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12 Jan 2013 11:09 |
1911 England Census about John Lowis Kirk Name: John Lowis Kirk Age in 1911: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, England Civil parish: Maidenhead County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Street Address: 40 Norfolk Road, Maidenhead Marital Status: Married Occupation: Architect and Surveyor Registration district: Maidenhead Registration District Number: 123 Sub-registration district: Maidenhead ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Household schedule number: 25 Piece: 6660 Household Members: Name Age John Lowis Kirk 49 Selina Kirk 53 Eric George Cox 16 visitor Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 6660; Schedule Number: 25;
no children born .
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2013 11:08 |
There are TWO Eliza Lowis Kirks
One was born c1866
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12 Jan 2013 11:07 |
1911 KIRK, Eliza Lowis Head Single F 45 1866 Assisting In Poultry And Fruit Gardens Wisbech RG number: RG14 Piece: 9301 Reference: RG14PN9301 RG78PN500 RD187 SD2 ED7 SN39 Registration District: Wisbech Sub District: Wisbech Enumeration District: 7 Parish: Wisbech St Peter Address: South Brink Wisbech County: Cambridgeshire
Chris :)
Baptism Day:30 Month:Jul Year:1865 Forenames:Eliza Lowis Surname:Kirk Relationship:of Father forenames:John Lowis Fathers occupation:carpenter Mother forenames:Sarah Birth Day:17 Birth Month:Jul Birth Year:1865 Abode:of South Brink Place:Wisbech, St Peter County:Cambridgeshire
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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12 Jan 2013 11:06 |
Described as a spinster on the will , probate to John Lowis Kirk, architect
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2013 11:00 |
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Eliza Lowis Kirk Probate Date: 5 Sep 1928 Death Date: 20 May 1928 Death Place: Cambridgeshire, England Registry: London, England
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