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Alexander Oldham 1875 Death..

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Mark

Mark Report 12 Jan 2013 13:52

I know quite abit about my 4 x great grandfather Alexander Oldham a former Teacher/Hatter. I believed he was an upstanding member or society until i ordered his death certificate. Died aged 76 - Cause of Death - Exhaustion from Excessive Drinking. An inquest was held so would there be a newspaper report. His final place of decease was Union Workhouse, unsure if there was a Hospital attached or actually went into the Workhouse

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 12 Jan 2013 17:18

Most workhouses had an infirmary attached which was like our hospitals. Did the death certificate give his usual address as well or was the workhouse the only address on the certificate?

There could have been a report in the local newspaper of the time (back copies of which should be at the nearest library to where the death took place) if he was well known in the area. However if he ended up living in the workhouse and died because of excessive drinking then perhaps the newspapers wouldn't have been interested in his death.

Kath. x

Mark

Mark Report 12 Jan 2013 17:20

The only address was Union Workhouse, Stockport. Another ancestor of mine had been admitted but only to the hospital side, hence my question.

Note - have googled for Exhaustion from Excessive Drinking.

Flip

Flip Report 12 Jan 2013 18:04

Can you give the death details (dates etc), that way we can look at the news reports. I'm pretty sure the Stockport newspapers are available on Lancashire online newspapers.

And if you haven't already come across this "mad as a hatter" comes from the problem hatters had with the chemicals they used, (mercury) it sent them doollally (if that is a word). But I'll think you'll get the drift.

Flip

Flip Report 12 Jan 2013 18:18

Sorry.nothing on Lancahsire newspaper archives revalent to your search, so forget my last request.

Margee

Margee Report 12 Jan 2013 18:28

He's a lodger here, living in Buckstone Inn. Could explain his excessive drinking:

1871 England Census
about Alexandre Oldham Name: Alexandre Oldham
Age: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Werneth, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Werneth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Mottram Road
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Hyde
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 141
Piece: 3654
Folio: 102
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
William Sampson 49
Jane Sampson 51
Berty Sampson 22
Martha Sampson 19
James Sampson 14
Alexandre Oldham 73

Mark

Mark Report 12 Jan 2013 18:33

Thank you Margee i have just looked up the original record .. interesting. Showing that he is a Widow so his wife Charlotte predeceased him.....

Margee

Margee Report 12 Jan 2013 18:33

There were 2 of them in Cheshire on the 61 census, one a hatter and the other a teacher.

Mark

Mark Report 12 Jan 2013 18:36

Mine was a Hatter but i believed he was a Teacher before that,,, maybe i am wrong

Margee

Margee Report 12 Jan 2013 18:39

The one married to Charlotte was the school teacher:

1851 England Census
about Alexander Oldham Name: Alexander Oldham
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte Oldham
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Werneth, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Werneth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Marple
ED, institution, or vessel: 3d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 230
Piece: 2154
Folio: 742
Page Number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Oldham 52
Charlotte Oldham 52
Lucy Ann Oldham 20
Maria Frith Oldham 17
Edwin Wilmot Oldham 14
Arthur Oldham 11
John Oldham 2
Fanny Oldham 27
Arthur Oldham 1
Maria Oldham 5days
Mary Ann Fiddler 12
William Mc Connell 20

This one is the mad hatter:

1851 England Census
about Alexander Oldham Name: Alexander Oldham
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Relation: Head
Father's Name: George Oldham
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Bredbury, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Bredbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Marple
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 134
Piece: 2154
Folio: 210
Page Number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Oldham 52
Elizabeth Marry 30
Charles Oldham 25
George Oldham 79




Mark

Mark Report 12 Jan 2013 18:41

We dont know he was Mad... Mine was married to Charlotte - the death cert i have says Hatter.....

Margee

Margee Report 12 Jan 2013 18:45

Then I would say that you have the wrong death certificate. If your Alexander was definitely married to Charlotte then he was the school teacher not the hatter

Mark

Mark Report 12 Jan 2013 18:46

The death certificate i have is dated

24 July 1875

Margee

Margee Report 12 Jan 2013 18:46

From which child of Alexander do you descend?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 12 Jan 2013 18:49

Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1870
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
OLDHAM Charlotte 75 Hyde Tameside HYD/31/8

(above from below link)

http://cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php


Chris :)

Margee

Margee Report 12 Jan 2013 18:49

This could be the other one:

Deaths Dec 1869 (>99%)
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Oldham Alexander 71 Stockport 8a 5

Mark

Mark Report 12 Jan 2013 18:49

Maria Frith Oldham 1832-1903 who married Edmund Evans
They had Charlotte 1858 who had a illigitime daughter Maud E Evans
Maud married Oswald - my great grandfather

Flip

Flip Report 12 Jan 2013 18:52

He was a hat-maker back as far as 1841, living with his sons James (18), Charles (15) and John (13) it looks like the address is dispensary??

Alexandra Oldham
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Stockport
Hundred: Macclesfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Hyde
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 108
Book: 5
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Alexandra Oldham 42
James Oldham 18
Charles Oldham 15
John Oldham 13

Wonder if the 1851 census is him - he has acquired a wife and is a schooll-master - but none of the above children are with him.

For info:

Alexander Oldham
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte Oldham
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Werneth, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Werneth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: <<school master

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Marple
ED, institution, or vessel: 3d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 230
Piece: 2154
Folio: 742
Page Number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Oldham 52
Charlotte Oldham 52
Lucy Ann Oldham 20
Maria Frith Oldham 17
Edwin Wilmot Oldham 14
Arthur Oldham 11
John Oldham 2
Fanny Oldham 27
Arthur Oldham 1
Maria Oldham 5days
Mary Ann Fiddler 12
William Mc Connell 20

So doubt this is the same family, think you may need to go back to basics!

Margee

Margee Report 12 Jan 2013 18:53

So Maria Frith was the daughter of the school teacher not the hatter who died in 1875. I suspect her father was the one who died in 1869.

Mark

Mark Report 12 Jan 2013 18:56

Flip - that is the correct family yes - thank you very much