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amanda louise

amanda louise Report 24 Jan 2013 13:41

Great news recived certificate today. The details are as follows:


23rd October 1903 William Henry Herbert 25yrs of age, batchelor seaman merchant services, 1 Dean Terrace Bristol, Father's name Henry Herbert I think it states his profession was shoe or shot manufacturer writing is a little flamboyant.

Ruth Long 22yrs of age, spinster, 3 Dean Terrace Bristol, father's name George Long Labourer

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 24 Jan 2013 13:42

Ihave to go for a little while but I shall be back later :-)

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 24 Jan 2013 16:30

Ok guy's I'm back and Ireally need you'r help here trying to trace Mr George Long. I seem to bit hitting a blank which is quite frustrating

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Jan 2013 20:36

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1318279

I don't think you'll get anyone different answering! :-)

Who were the witnesses on the marriage?

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 24 Jan 2013 22:48

I can not make out the names on the certificate. one of the names looks like Harriet Brain but can't make the other out the registrar was Robert Oliver

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 26 Jan 2013 12:38

Right that's Ruth Long's certificate applied for just wait for it to arrive and the search will continue :-)

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 26 Jan 2013 16:27

Not having much luck tracing George Long on any of the census lists :-S
And the frree bdm wont go back as far as 1812

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Jan 2013 12:10

????

Name: George Long
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Long
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol
Civil parish: Bristol St Philip and Jacob Out
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 25 Lewis St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: Barton Regis
Sub-registration district: St Philip & St Jacob
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2501
Folio: 146
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
George Long 38
Elizabeth Long 32
George Joseph Long 9
Robert Thomas Long 7
John Richard Long 5
William Ernest Long 1


Not picking those people up on later census yet. Have to go out but will try to look back later.

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 27 Jan 2013 17:46

Oh my you seem to have discoverd far more than . The employment seems to match, I should have Ruthe's birth cert back just after the first of feb. If these people are infact Ruthes family that would be fantastic.
Thank you Rootgatherer

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 1 Feb 2013 18:29

Ok now I am seriously confused! :-S
Had Ruth's birth cert back today and there's no father registerd and it states her mother was Harriet Long of Barton Regis Workhouse Stapleton. Harriet was a cotton worker. Ruth was born 6/5/1882.
Does anyone know how on earth you gain accesss to Workhouse records. I really need some help with this :-(

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 2 Feb 2013 20:34

Still not getting anywhere with this. I need to find out if Harriet was Sarah Ann's sister or if indeed George was Sarah Ann's brother. Or infact if George Long actualy existed. Arrrrrrrrrrgh........................so frustrating! :-|

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 6 Feb 2013 12:05

Can someone PLEASE HELP I need to findout how you gain access to workhouse records

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 7 Feb 2013 19:08

Can anyone tell me is it normal for someone who was born in a workhouse to not show up on any census?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 8 Feb 2013 14:08

You need to try to find out if the Poor Relief records for the area have survived. Access to the workhouse would be through Harriet seeking poor relief.

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Clifton/

Looks like some of the records are missing .............

http://www.aigs.org.au/gloucesterff7.htm

Bristol Union Workhouse
From 1868-1878 these records were listed as the Stapleton workhouse, Clifton Union.
From 1878-1898 this became the Barton Regis workhouse, Barton Regis Union.


Births 1868-1874, 1898-1943,*********************************


Deaths 1898-1907, 1847-1898, 1907-1914


Your year, 1882, not listed....drat!!!!


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 8 Feb 2013 14:10

http://www.londonfhc.org/content/catalogue?p=England,England,Gloucester,Barton-Regis&f=1

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 8 Feb 2013 14:28

?????

Marriages Mar 1888

BRAIN George Barton R. 6a 192
Davis Sidney Barton R. 6a 192
Long Harriet Barton R. 6a 192
WEBB Emma Barton Regis 6a 192



Emma (Webb) and Sidney Davis are together on the 1911 census (married 23 years)

So assuming that Harriet Long married George Brain but I am going "brain" dead trying to find them together on a census!!!!!!!!!!!!!



There is this Harriet in 1891 but Ancestry has the wrong image attached so I can't check if she is Single, married or widowed.

Perhaps someone with access to FMP could check please?


1891

Name: Harriet L Brain
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Clifton
Ecclesiastical parish: Clifton
Town: Bristol
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Barton Regis
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1966
Folio: 77
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet L Brain 29


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 8 Feb 2013 15:14

Wondering about this Harriett?

1881

Name: Harriett Long
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Caroline Long
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol

Civil parish: Bristol St Philip and Jacob Out
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address: 15 Wade St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Flax Spinner (M) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Registration district: Barton Regis
Sub-registration district: St Philip & St Jacob
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2498
Folio: 60
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Long 60 Pauper
George Long 20 Son, Brush Maker (Drawer)
Harriett Long 17
Sarah A. Long 13 Granddaughter

All born Bristol.

Same family in 1871?

Name: George Long
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Long
Mother's Name: Caroline Long
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol
Civil parish: St Nicholas
Ecclesiastical parish: Bristol
Town: Bristol
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: Castle Precincts
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 55
Piece: 2523
Folio: 27
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
George Long 39
Caroline Long 39
George Long 11
Ellen Long 9
Elizth Long 7
Annie Long 2
Ada Long 4 months



Now I wonder if Elizabeth in 1871 is Harriett in 1881?


amanda louise

amanda louise Report 8 Feb 2013 17:04

Thank you Rootgatherer, this whole thing is so damn confusing, on the marriage cert which is the correct one as my mum found the original the same day I had this copy it say's Ruth was 22 in 1903, fathers name George Long labourer address 3 Dean Terrace Bristol. Yet the birth cert say's Ruth Long was born 1882 to Harriet Long so I don't know if I even have the right birth cert :-S

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 8 Feb 2013 23:36

Amanda, it is not unusual for an Illegitimate person to give a "made up" name for a father on a marriage entry to save face. It often has an element of truth in that they sometimes give the name of a grandfather, brother or stepfather.

What I was trying to do was connect that Harriett in 1881 to the couple that had a neice called Ruth staying with them in 1891 - not very successfully though.

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 9 Feb 2013 12:55

Oh my good greif Ilike you have been unable to find trace of Ruth in 1891 census or 1901 yet I have her marriage cert dated 1903