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George Reed/Read married to Elizabeth Scarr

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GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 17 Jan 2013 15:07

The 1878 marriage of William George Hornbuckle (25yrs) and Emma Read (21yrs)

They BOTH lived at 15 Peace Cottages at the time of marriage
Witnesses:: William Edward Read and M.A Newman.
Father of bride: George Read,. Occ: Tailor
Father of the groom: John William Hornbuckle. Occ: Boot Maker.

Edit:
Chris beat me to it!

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about William George Hornbuckle
Name: William George Hornbuckle
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 May 1853
Father's Name: John William Hornbuckle
Mother's Name: Ann Hornbuckle
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Jan 2013 15:30

Would be interesting to see the 1867 Birth Cert., might also help find details as to George being born Suffolk or Middx...apart from burning question of Elizabeth and her maiden name, lol...

Chris :)

Caroline

Caroline Report 17 Jan 2013 16:09

Thanks for those Chris, don't you love the name Hornbuckle LOL!!

Caroline

Caroline Report 17 Jan 2013 16:15

Yes Chris, I am speaking to a second cousin who MAY have a birth certificate for Charlotte....fingers crossed! Will nag her again LOL. If not, then I shall have to buy it. You are right, it would answer a few questions hopefully.

Thanks again

Caroline

Caroline Report 17 Jan 2013 17:46

Me again.

I think we can discount the George Galloway who is an inmate of the workhouse in 1881 as not mine, thanks.

This chap is a silk weaver whose place of birth is given as Bethnal Green.

Doing well so far. I have searched and searched and can find no record at all of a George Galloway or Gallaway marrying an Elizabeth Reed at all. There are records of a few other George Galloways but not mine. The other ones are Born in Newcastle/civil engineer/silk weaver. Nothing comes close to mine.

I know he could have changed his trade but, in late 1800's I think it unlikely, especially with so many mouths to feed, that he would have done.

It's starting to feel right that there was no legal marriage just an adopting of the surname Reed to his own. Then Elizabeth dying, the older children married and with families not wanting to take the little ones. If Elizabeth died I 1876, elizabeth jnr would be 16 and working, Jane would be 13 and probably earning something, Frederick would be 12 and probably earning something, but Charlotte would have been 9 years old and just a mouth to feed. Also there may be this other younger boy Alfred who would have been only 4. George Galloway/Reed would have been aged 64 by 1876. Perhaps he struggled on for another two years before he had no choice but for all 3 of them to go to the workhouse? The electoral roll shows him still living at Peace Cottages in 1878.

Anyone think I might be on the right track here?

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 17 Jan 2013 18:09

Caroline,
Is there a way to access the records for Charlotte being sent to i the Industrial School? Even the School Records themselves?

I have managed to find similar type records in Scotland, which provided a mass of information.
I am sure that English ones would be similar .

Caroline

Caroline Report 17 Jan 2013 20:33

Go to the top of the class that lady! never thought of that Anne. I shall add searching for who has the records to my list. Am planning a BIG getting it together day on Saturday.

I MAY have found the burial for George Galloway....

George Galloway
Aged 75 years
Pensioner
Died 18th Jan 1895 at 10 Warren Lane, Woolwich
Buried 28th Jan 1895
Buried in section X, no. 275
Unconsecrated ground
Burial ground of the Woolwich Burial Board in the Parish of Plumstead.

Possible?


Caroline

Caroline Report 17 Jan 2013 21:32

Can anyone look these school records up for me please?

Name: William Reed
Age: 8
Birth Date: abt 1852
School: St Michael's School
Borough: Westminster
Admission Date: 7 May 1860
Notes: Non-provided school (0418): previously known as Saint Michael's National School until 1907, (the term National was no longer used after that date)
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV02/STMIC2/AD/002

This record MAY have the names of the parents and possibly an address.

Thanks

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 17 Jan 2013 22:42

George Galloway who died in 1895?

is possibly him?
1851 England Census about George Christopher Galloway
Name: George Christopher Galloway
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Galloway
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England
Civil parish: Plumstead
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Condition as to marriage:
Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Plumstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 2e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 40
Piece: 1590
Folio: 271
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
George Christopher Galloway 30
Ellen Galloway 28
William Galloway 7
Mary Ann Galloway 4
George Galloway 2
!861.... Can;t find this George or his family.

1871 England Census about George C Galloway
Name: George C Galloway
[George Christopher Galloway]
[George C Hudson]
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eleanor Galloway
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, Woolwich, England
[England]
Civil parish: Woolwich St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Arsenal
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 179
Piece: 782
Folio: 24
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
George C Galloway 53
Eleanor Galloway 52
Mary C Galloway 24
George Galloway 22
James Galloway 20
John Galloway 18
Fanny Galloway 16
Henry Galloway 12
John Galloway 51
John Hudson 12
Address: 5 Surgeon Street.

1881 England Census about George Galloway
Name: George Galloway
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Galloway
Gender: Male
Where born: South Woolwich, Kent, England
Civil parish: Woolwich
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 13 Globe Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Agricultural Labourer
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Arsenal
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 746
Folio: 13
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
George Galloway 65
Ellen Galloway 62
George Galloway 29
Henry Galloway 17

1891 England Census about George C Galloway
Name: George C Galloway
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Galloway
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England
Civil parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: River Thames off Woolwich
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Arsenal
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 532
Folio: 31
Page Number: 55
Household Members:
Name Age
George C Galloway 72 *** BLIND
Ellen Galloway 70

Address 4 Collingwood Street.
This man's POB is consistently given as KENT

Caroline

Caroline Report 18 Jan 2013 00:07

Aww, have to strike him off then. Was plucking at straws a bit wasnt I? Sorry Anne.

I have checked loads of variations and I just cannot find hide nor hair of my George Galloway before 1861. I have even checked on the Scottish Galloways and found nothing which could match up.

Am speaking with my cousin tomorrow so will definitely be nagging her for any other certificates she has.

Thanks again for all the help, much appreciated.

Question....
Does anyone think it would help (or hinder) to post a thread on Galloway? I don't want to do it wrong again!! :)

:-) :-)

Caroline

Caroline Report 18 Jan 2013 00:07

Aww, have to strike him off then. Was plucking at straws a bit wasnt I? Sorry Anne.

I have checked loads of variations and I just cannot find hide nor hair of my George Galloway before 1861. I have even checked on the Scottish Galloways and found nothing which could match up.

Am speaking with my cousin tomorrow so will definitely be nagging her for any other certificates she has.

Thanks again for all the help, much appreciated.

Question....
Does anyone think it would help (or hinder) to post a thread on Galloway? I don't want to do it wrong again!! :)

:-) :-)

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 18 Jan 2013 00:36

Oh Dear,
I still have an inkling that this man's name may indeed be George Galloway REED.

Caroline

Caroline Report 19 Jan 2013 15:42

my head is spinning!

I have printed all of the info given here and all of the census sheets tto. Some marrying up to be done and then will finally be a bit clearer in my poor head.

i was looking through the school records thingy, was trying to find Charlotte Reed as this may also list the fathers name (i noticed it did on others), possibly an address too. If I could find Charlotte there, then perhaps I could also find out if the Alfred mentioned on the workhouse school census is her younger brother as his father might be there too.

onwards and....well.....onwards really!!

Thanks again all
x

Caroline

Caroline Report 19 Jan 2013 22:36

Chris Ho.....the burial you gave me seems to be the right me, thank you!!

This is for Elizabeth Ann Read who died at 15 Peace Cottages in November 1876

The pieces are starting to come together, thank you again

Caroline

Caroline Report 20 Jan 2013 18:55

In the marriage between George Reed and Elizabeth Ann in 1856....
Two eldest children would be aged 8 and 5 and Elizabeth would be 4 months pregnant with baby Emma.

I am wondering if George was previously married and a widow? If so, then his first wife would also have to be an Elizabeth as the 1851 census shows George Reed with wife Elizabeth and Son George aged 2. However, the difference in age between husband and wife is only 7 years. On the 1861 & 1871 census, the difference has jumped to 17 years.

Wondering if she died giving birth to William in 1851 perhaps? William was born in July 1851 and there is an Elizabeth Reed who is listed in the deaths of Jul-Aug-Sep quarter of 1851.....

Think maybe I need to get Williams birth certificate - would his mothers name including maiden name be on there? If I also get Charlottes birth certificate, maybe we might see a different maiden name for mother? Possibly also for father?

Am sounding this out to you folks to see if it sounds plausible.
Thanks
Caroline

Caroline

Caroline Report 28 Jan 2013 11:08

Morning all.

Could somebody look this up for me please?

Marriage
Elizabeth Ann Bassett
Jan-Feb-Mar
1853
Westminster
London

I need to see if the person she is marrying is called FOX

Thanks in advance

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 28 Jan 2013 11:30


Elizabeth Ann Bassett Jan-Feb-Mar 1853 Westminster St Margaret London
married either

Robert Dawson Jan-Feb-Mar 1853 Westminster St Margaret London
Ralph Gardner Jan-Feb-Mar 1853 Westminster St Margaret London

NB: Elizabeth Ann Fox Bassett stated she was a spinster when she married George Reed in Paddington 1856

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Jan 2013 12:00

Name: Elizabeth Ann Fox Bassett, Spinster
Spouse Name: George Reed, Coachman, Bachelor
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Jul 1856
Parish: Paddington St John
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: William Bassett, Policeman
Spouse Father Name: George Reed, Carpenter
Register Type: Parish Register

Address for both Torrington Mews.

Witnesses James Newman and Alice Cross



This looks like the Elizabeth who married in 1853 on the 1861 census

Name: Ralph Gardner
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Gardner
Gender: Male
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Mortlake
Ecclesiastical parish: London
Town: Mortlake
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Mortlake
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 153
Piece: 461
Folio: 31
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Ralph Gardner 32
Elizabeth Gardner 31
Ralph Gardner 7
Annie Gardner 4
Ellen Bassett 3
Earnest Collinge 24

Caroline

Caroline Report 28 Jan 2013 12:43

Thank you all for above help.

Finally, after waiting forever, Charlottes birth certificate has arrived.

Her mothers maiden name is given as Elizabeth White.

This now confirms her fathers first and only marriage is to Elizabeth White - looks likely that there were two sons born out of wedlock and she was pregnant with Emma when they eventually married but marriage cert will confirm this.

Am still waiting for the marriage certificate for George and Elizabeth now.

Thank you all so much again!! What would i do without you all???

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 28 Jan 2013 20:05

Caroline,
I have forgotten half of the stuff on this thread but the marriage of George Reed and Elizabeth White is available on Anc.
They married on 28 Mar 1847 in London ( St Ethelburgen?)
George was a draper. Father William Reed a farmer.
Elizabeth was the daughter of John White a carpenter.
Both bride and groom lived in Wormwood Street .
Witnesses: Sarah Jane Riley and Robert Harrison Noakes.

Will Pm this to you
Edit: if this is the correct couple, it means all their children were born within the marriage.

Anne