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Inky1

Inky1 Report 16 Jan 2013 16:38

Doreen,
It’s been a pleasure to assist. It has also been educational:-

As Eringobragh1916 provided the marriage year/quarter I checked it out, expecting to find a Hannah Tailor Somebody. (Tailor being a middle name)
But no, it shows Hannah Taylor.

A search through the listings for St Joseph gave the following other baptisms for this couple (there might have been more) DoB, Baptism and parents.

Joannes Josephus Kane
16Jan1872 04Feb1872 Jacobi Kane, Anna Taylor

Jacobus Kane
18Sep1874 30Sep1874 Jacobi Kane, Hannæ Taylor Kane

Marian Kane
24Nov1883 09Dec1883 Jacobi Kane, Hannae Taylor

Maria Hannah Kane
17Nov 1888 21Nov1888 Jacobi Kane, Hannah Taylor Kane

So a Catholic Church includes the mother’s maiden name. That is something I did not know. Do they all do it, I wonder?

And as Reggie states, name spellings vary. Apart from Hanæ Tailor Kane for your man, there are the above variations.

The search for siblings produced a plentiful list of Kane baptisms. It is likely your family group is related to some of them. Let me finish with what I consider to be one of the ‘best’ baptisms I have seen for quite a while(!)

From the same Church.

Patritius O’Kane
02May1878 09Jun1878 Joannis O'Kane, Mariæ Annæ O'Hara O'Kane

Doreen

Doreen Report 16 Jan 2013 13:26

Yes Thank you. Certificate ordered that will clear up a few questions.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 16 Jan 2013 10:19

Doreen...
This is the parents of James T.in 1871 Census...They married March Quarter 1869 Reg. Gateshead.

name: James Kane
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 24
relationship to head of household: Self
birthplace: Wakefield, Yorkshire
record type: Household
registration district: Gateshead
sub-district: Gateshead
event parish: Gateshead
county: Durham
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self James **Kane** M 24 Wakefield, Yorkshire
wife Hannah Kane F 20 Bradaford,
brother John Kane M 16 Wakefield, Yorkshire
lodger John Quin M 26 Ireland
lodger Edward Daley M 21 Durham,

The Marriage was spelt **Cain**

Does the above birth details correspond with the family your looking for....?

Doreen

Doreen Report 16 Jan 2013 09:44

Thank you everyone for all your helpand advice. I have ordered the birth certificate and that should tell me if I am on the right track.

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Jan 2013 09:10

Doreen

People in those days did not know how their names should be written.

The person to whom they gave their name would spell it as he thought it should be.

Be flexible in your thinking.

And, as inky so rightly said, Jacobi or a variant was the Latin for James.........which would have been used in the baptism register, as they were Catholics

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 16 Jan 2013 08:42

Its very odd that the father on the baptisum is Jacobi but on the census which you think is right its James ......again as Inky1 shows peoples names did change

If you couldnt find his birth registration you could have sent for a sister or brother

I think



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RamblingRose Report 15 Jan 2013 12:41
Births Mar 1881 (>99%)
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CAIN James Thomas Gateshead 10a 825




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MrsBucketBouquet Report 15 Jan 2013 12:44
Births Mar 1881 (>99%)

CAIN James Thomas Gateshead 10a 825

That these two ladies could be right and I would sent for this certificate using 10a and entry 825 to see if this fits ...

keep us informed we may be able to help again





Inky1

Inky1 Report 15 Jan 2013 20:20

Possible alternative to spending money.

LDS microfilms that were at the LDS Centre in Kensington (in the basement of the Temple) have been held at the National Archives, Kew, since the LDS premises underwent restoration work.
The following is from the LDS(Ken) listing…..

Gateshead, Durham, England - Church records
Title: Church register, 1851-1930
Authors: Catholic Church. St. Joseph's (Gateshead, Durham)
Film Notes: Microfilm copy of original at the Tyne and Wear Archives, Newcastle- upon-Tyne, Northumberland.
Some Latin.
Film Items: Microfilm 2046501 Baptisms, 1906-1918

Additional films in the series (ie that Church) that can be ordered in:-

Microfilm 2046403 Baptisms, 1851-1854, 1857-1874 (Each register includes an index.)
Microfilm 2046499 Baptisms, 1874-1891
Microfilm 2046500 Baptisms, 1891-1906
Microfilm 2046502 Baptisms, 1918-1920 Baptism indexes, 1874-1883, 1915-1920 Marriages, 1860-1916 Burials, 1851-1854
Microfilm 2046503 Burials, 1857-1861, 1883, 1895-1900, 1877-1879, 1900-1925 Burials in Saltwell cemetery, 1905-1930
Microfilm 2046609 Items 14-16 Baptisms, 1920-1921 Marriages, 1916-1920 Banns, 1918-1921

NB. Ordered in. I have previously ordered at LDS(Ken) for delivery from Salt Lake City – I paid nominal sums that covered the shipping costs. And they emailed me when each had arrived. I guess that the same service is offered by their Kew personnel.

I must assume that film 2046499 has been viewed by the Ancestry member in USA.

The records from that film are online in Familysearch:-
• parentJacobi Kane, Hanæ Tailor Kane
• nameJacobus Thomas Kane
• genderMale
• baptism/christening date02 Feb 1881
• baptism/christening placeSt Joseph, Gateshead, Durham, England
• birth date17 Dec 1880
• father's nameJacobi Kane
• mother's nameHanæ Tailor Kane
• indexing project (batch) numberC04207-3
• system originEngland-EASy
• source film number2046499

Catholic Churches tended to use Latin forms. Jacobus (or Iacobus) became James in common English.

Doreen

Doreen Report 15 Jan 2013 17:22

thanks for all your help. I need to know the reference numbers for the page and volume the birth was recorded in. I need these to order certificates.There seems to have been a name change from Kane to Cairn on the 1881 census and then back to Kane on the 1891.

Reggie

Reggie Report 15 Jan 2013 16:52

Doreen

For BMD's between 1837 and abt 1955 use freebmd................it has a phonetic surname search option.

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 15 Jan 2013 16:45

Doreen theres a lady (details above ) doing that very tree

It seems that a spelling was changed on the Kane cairn kyne name
This will make it very difficult to find a birth certificate for your man

What details would you like from his birth certificate?

Inky1

Inky1 Report 15 Jan 2013 16:05

The alternate name in that 1881 census was an Ancestry member suggestion:-

Family surname was Kane from other census records and from chirstening records of St. Joseph's Gateshead church - Catholic. Father of family is listed as Jacobi Kane on chirstening records.
Submitted by DougnRuthsDaughter on 14/11/2009

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Last log in: Today

Seems you have a distant rellie in USA?

Doreen

Doreen Report 15 Jan 2013 14:12

Thank you Kempina. This is my Grandfather. I am looking for the index numbers as I want to order his birth certificate

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 15 Jan 2013 12:48

The 1881 census has been corrected and a date of birth added as you can see but this MAY NOT be the right person DO you know his parents names ??

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 15 Jan 2013 12:46

and probably

Births Mar 1872 (>99%)


KYNE John Joseph Gateshead 10a 778

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 15 Jan 2013 12:45

They seem to have used various spellings as this is Sarah

Births Sep 1878 (>99%)
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Kane Sarah Ann Gateshead 10a 876

Margee

Margee Report 15 Jan 2013 12:45

Possible?

Births Mar 1881 (>99%)
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CAIN James Thomas Gateshead 10a 825

MrsBucketBouquet

MrsBucketBouquet Report 15 Jan 2013 12:44

Births Mar 1881 (>99%)

CAIN James Thomas Gateshead 10a 825

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 15 Jan 2013 12:41

Births Mar 1881 (>99%)
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CAIN James Thomas Gateshead 10a 825

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 15 Jan 2013 12:39

1881 England Census
about James Thos. Cairn
Name: James Thos. Cairn
[James Thos. Kane]
Estimated Birth Year: 17 Dec 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Cairn
Mother's Name: Hannah Cairn
Gender: Male
Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England

Civil parish: Gateshead
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 7 William St
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5035
Folio: 158
Page Number: 65
Household Members: Name Age
James Cairn 34
Hannah Cairn 30
John J. Cain 9
Sarah Ann Cairn 2
James Thos. Cairn 2months


KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 15 Jan 2013 12:35

1891 England Census
about James T Kane
Name: James T Kane
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Hannah Kane
Gender: Male
Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England

Civil parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4180
Folio: 40
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Kane 40
John J Kane 19
Sarah Kane 12
James T Kane 10
Maria Kane 7
Mary H Kane 2
Margaret Kane 1

Is this him?