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Rebecca

Rebecca Report 15 Jan 2013 18:33

I started looking into my family history about a year ago and with the help of some very kind people I was able to get back to my great, great, great grandad.
Sadly my uncle passed away this week but because of the family history we thought it might be nice to bury him with my great, great, great grandad as we found his grave. Due to it being the 1800s, his name on the grave is 'Harrocks' instead of 'Horrocks.' I think that it is a simple spelling error but I could be completely wrong.
We're currently arguing with the priest at the moment because he will only let us bury my uncle with solid proof that we're related to George.
I've spent a lot of time looking through censuses but I seem to struggle when we get up to George. I'll post what I have from my uncle up to George:

Alexander Horrocks - 23/02/1946-10/01/2013
Son of:
Harry Hardman Horrocks - 04/03/1913-02/06/1983 & Winifred Keenan 01/03/1914-16/08/1989
Son of:
Daniel Horrocks 1873-1933 & Elizabeth Hardman 1808-?
Son of:
James Horrocks 1831-? & Ellen ? 1830-1886
Son of:
George Horrocks 1806-1877 & Ellen Aughton 1808-?

I would be so grateful if anyone could offer me help with this, it would mean a lot to me and my whole family.

Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Jan 2013 18:35

A location would help

Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Jan 2013 18:39

There is no death for George Horrocks in 1877


Is this him ?
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Deaths Jun 1877
HARROCKS George 65 W. Derby 8b 347


Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Jan 2013 18:41

Still looks like Harrocks


name: James Harrocks
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 06 Feb 1831
baptism/christening place: SAINT CHAD,KIRKBY BY MELLING,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
birth date: 19 Jan 1831
father's name: George Harrocks

mother's name: Ellen

Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Jan 2013 18:43



Births Mar 1873
Harrocks Daniel Prescott 8b 636


EDIT :
This one is son of John and Jane

Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Jan 2013 18:59


Changed to Horrocks



1881

James Horrocks 51
Ellen Horrocks 51
Jane Horrocks 21
Ellen Horrocks 12
Daniel Horrocks 7



Marriages Dec 1894

Hardman Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 107
Horrocks Daniel Liverpool 8b 107



Births Jun 1913
Horrocks Harry H - Hardman -W.Derby 8b 740


There is no marriage for a Daniel Harrocks

Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Jan 2013 19:07

Down as Horrocks in 1861

James Horrocks 31
Ellen Horrocks 31
Margaret Horrocks 6
Ellen Horrocks 4
Jane Horrocks 1 Months

so maybe wrong family.






what about this one in 1881.....

Daniel Harrocks
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Harrocks
Mother's Name: Jane Harrocks
Gender: Male
Where born: Whiston, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Whiston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: Paradise Lane


John Harrocks 37
Jane Harrocks 37
John Harrocks 15
Samuel Harrocks 13
Cecilia Harrocks 12
Thomas Harrocks 10
Daniel Harrocks 8 <<<<<<<<
Elizabeth Harrocks 6
Joseph Harrocks 5
Margaret Harrocks 3
Mary Jane Harrocks 2



Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Jan 2013 19:15

Need to check some dates.
Was Elizabeth really 65 years older than her husband ?

Daniel Horrocks 1873-1933 & Elizabeth Hardman 1808

Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Jan 2013 19:20

Need to check which Daniel is yours


Births Mar 1873
Horrocks Daniel - W. Derby 8b 454


name: Daniel Horrocks
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Jan 1873
baptism/christening place: Kirkby, Lancashire, England

father's name: James Horrocks
mother's name: Ellen Horrocks


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Births Mar 1873
Harrocks Daniel -Prescott 8b 636


name: Daniel Horrocks
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 02 Apr 1873
baptism/christening place: Prescot, Lancashire, England
:
father's name: John Horrocks
:
mother's name: Jane Horrocks

Rebecca

Rebecca Report 15 Jan 2013 19:31

Location is Liverpool. Whoops didn't even notice that big mistake with Hardman.
Yes he is buried under George 'Harrocks' in St. Chads in Kirkby.
I'm pretty sure Daniel was in Kirkby not Whiston.
I've looked through the censuses and it seems that Daniel was the son of James and Ellen.

Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Jan 2013 19:34

Is Daniel's DOB on his death cert ?

Don't rely on censuses.
Certificates are needed in this case if you want to be sure you have the right line.

Rebecca

Rebecca Report 15 Jan 2013 19:44

No his DOB isn't present. I've got a birth certificate which is Jan-Feb-Mar 1873 and death Oct-Nov-Dec 1933. All I know is that he died being trampled by horses as he was a carter if that helps?

Rebecca

Rebecca Report 15 Jan 2013 19:47

Elizabeth Hardman birth was 1872 not 1808 - big blunder!!

Rebecca

Rebecca Report 15 Jan 2013 19:56

I had Daniel's siblings down as Mary (1863) , James (1867) and Ellen (1869). I never knew Daniel's mother's surname the person who helped me last time said it was unknown.

Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Jan 2013 20:00

If as you say you have Daniel's birth cert, it would tell you his exact date of birth and his mother's maiden name.

Rebecca

Rebecca Report 15 Jan 2013 20:03

Just says year of registration 1873 and Jan-Feb-Mar district West Derby Lancashire, no maiden name.

Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Jan 2013 20:04

A tree on Ancestry has ..... (but would stll need verifying )

Daniel Horrocks
Birth 1873 in Kirkby, Lancashire, England
Death Dec 1933 in West Derby, Lancashire, England


Parents
James Horrocks 1831 –
Ellen Swift 1830 – 1886

Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Jan 2013 20:06

Rebecca, a birth record entry is not a certificate.

You need to buy certificates from the General Reg Off.

You can apply online, here's the link

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp


You also need to cross check Daniel's marriage certificate for his father's name and occupation.

Rebecca

Rebecca Report 15 Jan 2013 20:08

Thanks so much for that help :) what do you think I should do next?

Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Jan 2013 20:13

If it was my problem I would start with the uncle's birth certificate followed my his parents marriage cert and then their birth cert and so on... till you can prove the unbroken line.

Could be expensive, it depends how much proof the vicar needs to use George's grave.