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Birth Look-ups Henry Augustus SMITH

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Unknown Report 16 Jan 2013 13:16

I'm trying to find the parents and siblings of my g-g-grandfather Henry Augustus SMITH, his place of birth and when he came to South Australia. All I know is that he married Mary AMBER on 7 June 1854 at Magill, Woodforde, SA. His age on his marriage certificate was 19, his father wasn't named and his occupation was listed as either sawyer or lawyer. I've tried to make a connection between him and the witnesses at his wedding, John and Susan Skinner, without success. He died on 16 September 1907 at Sydenham, SA aged 72 years. Some online trees say he was born in Somerset but I've found no evidence of this, and he was also known as James Augustus Long which I know nothing about. It’s also noted that he came to SA on the ship "Hydaspes" in 1851, but that Henry is from another family.

I’ve searched for all births of any Henry Augustus SMITHs in England in the timeframe 1830-1840 (just in case there were errors in his ages) in the hope that I could follow them on the Censuses and rule them out or otherwise. I already have:
- HAS born 24 March 1835, Holborn, London, Middlesex, parents Alfred SMITH and Mary Ann HUSSEY
- Henry Augustus SMITH baptised 1 October 1837, Lambeth, Surrey, parents Henry Augustus SMITH and Maria BARR
- HAS born 1840, Tetbury, Gloucestershire
- HAS born 1840, Guildford, Surrey.
I’ve ruled out the first one born in Holborn, and after looking through the information posted below by forum members I think I can also rule out the Lambeth Henry. The last two are too young.

Is anyone please able to find any other births anywhere that I may have missed, or make suggestions on where to go next? Thank you.

Stuart

Stuart Report 16 Jan 2013 13:20

1851 for reference
1851 census transcription details for: 29, Caroline Street, Lambeth

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1572
Folio: 396
Page: 27
Reg. District: Lambeth
Sub District: Lambeth Church
Parish: Lambeth
Enum. District: 18
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary Lambeth
City/Municipal Borough: Lambeth
Address: 29, Caroline Street, Lambeth
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SMITH, Henry Augustus Head Married M 40 1811 House Painter (Journeyman)Lambeth, Surrey
SMITH, Maria Wife Married F 42 1809 Newington, Surrey
SMITH, Henry Augustus Son M 13 1838 Has Just Left School Lambeth, Surrey
SMITH, Maria Ebeabeth Daughter F 11 1840 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey
SMITH, Edward George Son M 6 1845 ScholarLambeth, Surrey
SMITH, Robert William Son M 3 1848 Lambeth, Surrey

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 16 Jan 2013 13:30


1861 England Census

Name: Henry Augustus Smith
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Elizabeth Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: St Faith
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: London City North West

Henry Augustus Smith 23
Sarah Elizabeth Smith 19
Henry Francis Smith 3 Months
Lucy Fish 58


GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 16 Jan 2013 13:32

1881 this might match the 1911 census but no idea if right man

Name: Henry A. Smith
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Holborn, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Newington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 6 Draper St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Cabinet Maker Upholsterer Employing 4 Men

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Mary Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 553
Folio: 33
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Henry A. Smith 46
Harriet Smith 46
Henry Smith 16
Mary Smith 12
Thomas Smith 10
Alfred Smith 8
George Smith 6
Albert E. Smith

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 16 Jan 2013 13:35

This marriage matches the 1881 census so not your man

Name: Henry Augustus Smith
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Harriett Nicholls
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Apr 1858
Parish: Bloomsbury St George
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Alfred Thomas Smith
Spouse Father Name: James Nicholls
Register Type: Parish Register

Stuart

Stuart Report 16 Jan 2013 13:36

This looks like the married 53 years Augustus. Father named as Alfred Thomas a Tailor, so not yours. He is an Upholsterer as per 1911 census.

Civil Registration event: Marriage

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Name: SMITH, Henry Augustus
Registration district: St. Giles
County: London
Year of registration: 1858
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 1B
Page no: 509
MarriageFinder: Henry Augustus Smith married one of the following people:

NICHOLLS, Harriett <<<<<<<<<<<
SOMERVILLE, Jessie
WILSON, John

Stuart

Stuart Report 16 Jan 2013 13:38

?? The marriage to go with the 1861 census
Civil Registration event: Marriage

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Name: SMITH, Henry Augustus
Registration district: Westminster
County: London
Year of registration: 1859
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 522
MarriageFinder: Henry Augustus Smith married one of the following people:

FISH, Sarah Elizabeth <<<<<
JOSLING, Esther

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 16 Jan 2013 13:41

An Ancestry tree has Henry & Sarah, but no info other than 1861 census. He was a mantle maker 1861, a very distinctive occupation, so if he kept this he would be reasonably easy to find.
I can't spot his son 1871 either. Maybe they emigrated!
Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 16 Jan 2013 13:41

Here is his son:

1871 England Census
Name: Henry F Smith
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Grandchild
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St John The Evangelist
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: St John Westminster

Elizabeth Fish 80
Emily Kobler 16
Henry F Smith 10

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 Jan 2013 13:42

tree on ancestry has a son

Henry Francis Smith
Birth 19 Mar 1861 in St Faith
Death

baptised

Christening
Christ Church Greyfriars Newgate

1871
Name: Henry F Smith
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Grandchild
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St John The Evangelist
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: St John Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 188
Piece: 121
Folio: 64
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Fish 80
Emily Kobler 16
Henry F Smith 10

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 Jan 2013 13:44

1841
841 England Census about Henry A Smith
Name: Henry A Smith
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

View image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1058
Book: 6
Folio: 51
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Augs Smith 30
Maria Smith 30
Henry A Smith 4
Maria E Smith 2
George Ben Smith 6 Mo
William T B Smith 6 Mo

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 16 Jan 2013 13:44

??

1901 England Census
Name: Henry F Smith
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Hertford
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Hertfordshire

Registration district: Hertford
Sub-registration district: Hertford

Henry F Smith 40
Ellen Smith 41
Oliver C Smith 10
Melicent A Smith 9
Victor C Smith 7
Clarence H Smith 2

Stuart

Stuart Report 16 Jan 2013 13:45

?? Is this Henry Francis aged 3 months on the 1861 census. Both census show a connection to the Fish family.

1871 census transcription details for: Rochester Row Emery Hill's Alms Houses, St John The Evangelist

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 121
Folio: 64
Page: 36
Reg. District: St George Hanover Square
Sub District: St John
Parish: St John the Evangelist
Enum. District: 16
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Rochester Row Emery Hill's Alms Houses, St John The Evangelist
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
FISH, Elizabeth Head F 80 1791 Devon
KOBLER, Emily Servant F 16 1855 Middlesex
SMITH, Henry F Gt Gd Child M 10 1861 London

McAlp

McAlp Report 16 Jan 2013 13:51

1881 Census
Edward G. Smith
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 28 Neville St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Packers Porter

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 598
Folio: 80
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Edward G. Smith 36
Mary Smith 35
Mary L. Smith 14
Albert C. Smith 9
Harry A. Smith 6
Edith F. Smith 4
Hetty E. Smith 2
Frederick W. Smith


brummiejan

brummiejan Report 16 Jan 2013 13:58

Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
Smith Oliver Cecil Hertford 3a 515

Stuart

Stuart Report 16 Jan 2013 14:16

1901 to show occupation and places of birth
1901 census transcription details for: 4, Molewood Road, Hertford

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 1305 Folio: 64 Page: 51
Reg. District: Hertford Sub District: Hertford Parish: Hertford Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: Christ Church
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Molewood Road, Hertford
County: Hertfordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SMITH, Henry F Head Married M 40 1861 Tailor London
SMITH, Ellen Wife Married F 41 1860 Oxford
SMITH, Oliver C Son M 10 1891 Hertford, Hertfordshire
SMITH, Milicent A Daughter F 9 1892 Hertford, Hertfordshire
SMITH, Victor C Son M 7 1894 Hertford, Hertfordshire
SMITH, Clarence H Son M 2 1899 Hertford, Hertfordshire

Same family 1891, showing Henry as Henry Fred (not sure on original, but not Francis). Born Edgeware Road
1891 census transcription details for: 75, St Andrew Street, St Andrew, Hertford

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 1111 Folio: 65 Page: 15
Reg. District: Hertford Sub District: Hertford Parish: St Andrew Enum. District: 13
Ecclesiastical District: St Andrew
City/Municipal Borough: Hertford
Address: 75, St Andrew Street, St Andrew, Hertford
County: Hertfordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SMITH, Henry Fred Head Married M 32 1859 Tailor London, Edgware Road
SMITH, Ellen Wife Married F 33 1858 Oxford, Oxfordshire
SMITH, Oliver C Son Single M 0 (11M) 1891 Hertford, Hertfordshire

McAlp

McAlp Report 16 Jan 2013 14:40

1881 Census ?
Henry A. Smith
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 16 Whittington Rd

Occupation: Insurance Agent

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham

McAlp

McAlp Report 16 Jan 2013 14:49

1891 Census

Henry A Smith
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 26 Eynsford Rd

Occupation:

Education:


Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell

McAlp

McAlp Report 16 Jan 2013 14:54

1871 Census

Henry A Smith
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil parish: St James Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Amwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 167
Piece: 384
Folio: 65
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
Henry A Smith 34
Ann Smith 44
Jane E Smith 1


McAlp

McAlp Report 16 Jan 2013 14:59

Marriage Banns

Henry Augustus Smith b:1811
Spouse Name: Maria Barr b:1809
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 4 Sep 1836
Parish: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth