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Hi Stuart and Chris
Thanks both of you for your information. I started a new thread Stuart to try and approach my research from a different angle, seemed a good idea to me at the time but I didn't realise the confusion it would cause, so sorry to everyone.

Chris, thankyou for taking the time to look up information on Mary Amber, but my Mary came to South Australia in 1847 with her parents Stephen Amber and Eliza Swanborough.
Stuart, your information on Henry Smith, sawyer from Gloucestershire looks very interesting and gives me another lead to follow.
Again, thanks very much to you both for your help.
Briony

Hello Stuart, got confusing yesterday, as Briony started a completely new 'Thread', asking for birth info. on any Henry Augustus Smiths, born wherever, followed by Aus. info.

To avoid duplicatation, we advised her to continue here, which she has done...

Hope you get the picture, lol.

Chris :)

(Briony didn't realise at the time)


Not sure how old Mary Smith (nee Amber) was at death, or anything on her, just adding below, for example)

1851 England Census
Name: Mary Amber
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Servant
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Corfe, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Corfe
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to Marriage
Registration district: Taunton
Sub-registration district: Pitminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 7b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Piece: 1922
Folio: 151
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Borch 72
Elizabeth Borch 75
Mary Amber 15

1851 census transcription details for: Fore Street, Nymphsfield

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1958
Folio: 246
Page: 4
Reg. District: Dursley
Sub District: Uley
Parish: Nymphsfield
Enum. District: 2A
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Fore Street, Nymphsfield
County: Gloucestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SMITH, William Head Married M 40 1811 Sawyer Nymphsfield, Gloucestershire
SMITH, Metilda Wife Married F 36 1815 Nymphsfield, Gloucestershire
SMITH, Henry Son M 16 1835 Sawyer Nymphsfield, Gloucestershire
SMITH, John Son M 11 1840 Sawyer Nymphsfield, Gloucestershire
SMITH, Ann Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar Nymphsfield, Gloucestershire
SMITH, Emily Daughter F 4 1847 Scholar Nymphsfield, Gloucestershire
SMITH, Thomas Son M 1 1850

SEE OPENING POST
Briony - your opening post has changed from the original and really doesn't make sense of why the information was posted that followed it then.
It still looks as though your last post was 00.51 on 18th Jan and that searching to help you is perhaps concluded. It might have been better to explain yourself again in order on the thread to bring the whole thing back up the board and leave the original opener.
(Someone will correct me if they feel this is wrong).

??? Having said that there are 2 Henry (no middle name) Smith's showing on the 1851 census who were Sawyers b 1835 +/- 2 years (as per Marriage occupation in your new opening post)
b 1835 RD Dursley Gloucestershire - with family in Nymphsfield. This is about 4 miles from Stroud and 5-6 miles from Tetbury.
b1834 RD Ledbury, Herefordshire - a Lodger with the Greenaway family b Ledbury. He shows up in 1861 in Worcester.

I can't find Henry Smith for definite in the 1861 census (nor his brother John, but have seen the rest of the family). There are several Henry Smith deaths Dursley RD 1851-1861, so no certainty there. Will put 1851 census as next post on thread

Thankyou for looking Chris. I've seen that entry for Henry in the Australia Death Index but on the Death Certificate there is no mention of Henry's father. The J. Smith is his son who is the informant on the Death Certificate.
Briony :)

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Henry Augustus Smith
Death Date: 16 Sep 1907
Death Place: Sydenham
Age: 72
Father's Name: J Smith
Residence Place: Sydenham
Registration Place: Norwood, South Australia
Page Number: 44
Volume Number: 328
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835

(not much of a clue there then!)

Chris :)

nudge

Thank you so much everyone for all your help, its really appreciated and you've given me heaps to work through.
Cheers, Briony

Marriage
Henry Augustus Smith b:1838
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1859
Registration district: Westminster St Margaret
Inferred County: London
Spouse Sarah Fish

And married

Henry Augustus Smith
Spouse Name: Maria Barr
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Oct 1836
Parish: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth

Marriage Banns

Henry Augustus Smith b:1811
Spouse Name: Maria Barr b:1809
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 4 Sep 1836
Parish: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth

1871 Census

Henry A Smith
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil parish: St James Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Amwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 167
Piece: 384
Folio: 65
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
Henry A Smith 34
Ann Smith 44
Jane E Smith 1

1891 Census

Henry A Smith
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 26 Eynsford Rd

Occupation:

Education:


Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell

1881 Census ?
Henry A. Smith
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 16 Whittington Rd

Occupation: Insurance Agent

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham

1901 to show occupation and places of birth
1901 census transcription details for: 4, Molewood Road, Hertford

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 1305 Folio: 64 Page: 51
Reg. District: Hertford Sub District: Hertford Parish: Hertford Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: Christ Church
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Molewood Road, Hertford
County: Hertfordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SMITH, Henry F Head Married M 40 1861 Tailor London
SMITH, Ellen Wife Married F 41 1860 Oxford
SMITH, Oliver C Son M 10 1891 Hertford, Hertfordshire
SMITH, Milicent A Daughter F 9 1892 Hertford, Hertfordshire
SMITH, Victor C Son M 7 1894 Hertford, Hertfordshire
SMITH, Clarence H Son M 2 1899 Hertford, Hertfordshire

Same family 1891, showing Henry as Henry Fred (not sure on original, but not Francis). Born Edgeware Road
1891 census transcription details for: 75, St Andrew Street, St Andrew, Hertford

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 1111 Folio: 65 Page: 15
Reg. District: Hertford Sub District: Hertford Parish: St Andrew Enum. District: 13
Ecclesiastical District: St Andrew
City/Municipal Borough: Hertford
Address: 75, St Andrew Street, St Andrew, Hertford
County: Hertfordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SMITH, Henry Fred Head Married M 32 1859 Tailor London, Edgware Road
SMITH, Ellen Wife Married F 33 1858 Oxford, Oxfordshire
SMITH, Oliver C Son Single M 0 (11M) 1891 Hertford, Hertfordshire

Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
Smith Oliver Cecil Hertford 3a 515

1881 Census
Edward G. Smith
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 28 Neville St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Packers Porter

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 598
Folio: 80
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Edward G. Smith 36
Mary Smith 35
Mary L. Smith 14
Albert C. Smith 9
Harry A. Smith 6
Edith F. Smith 4
Hetty E. Smith 2
Frederick W. Smith

?? Is this Henry Francis aged 3 months on the 1861 census. Both census show a connection to the Fish family.

1871 census transcription details for: Rochester Row Emery Hill's Alms Houses, St John The Evangelist

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 121
Folio: 64
Page: 36
Reg. District: St George Hanover Square
Sub District: St John
Parish: St John the Evangelist
Enum. District: 16
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Rochester Row Emery Hill's Alms Houses, St John The Evangelist
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
FISH, Elizabeth Head F 80 1791 Devon
KOBLER, Emily Servant F 16 1855 Middlesex
SMITH, Henry F Gt Gd Child M 10 1861 London

??

1901 England Census
Name: Henry F Smith
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Hertford
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Hertfordshire

Registration district: Hertford
Sub-registration district: Hertford

Henry F Smith 40
Ellen Smith 41
Oliver C Smith 10
Melicent A Smith 9
Victor C Smith 7
Clarence H Smith 2

1841
841 England Census about Henry A Smith
Name: Henry A Smith
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

View image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1058
Book: 6
Folio: 51
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Augs Smith 30
Maria Smith 30
Henry A Smith 4
Maria E Smith 2
George Ben Smith 6 Mo
William T B Smith 6 Mo