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Peter Graham & Susan Graham - Maiden Name?

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OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 18 Jan 2013 08:50

Peter Graham and Susan Graham, and I am trying to establish Susan's maiden name to see if this marriage is connected to individuals in my tree.

I have looked on Scotlands People but did not find anything in saying that I have often failed to find things but then the experienced volunteers on here who do a marvelous job in helping others, have found the information I was looking for and shown me where I went wrong :-)

Bits and pieces that may have some connection:-

United States Census, 1920

Residence 1920 City Of Springfield Election Precinct 5, Sangamon, Illinois

Household:-

self Peter Graham M 32y Scotland

wife Susan Graham F 32y Scotland

dau Mary Graham F 9y Illinois

dau Jean Graham F 8y Illinois

son Peter Graham M 5y Scotland

An Ancestral File, not always reliable:-

Bride: Susan CLUSKER
birth: 1891 Crossford? Lanark, Scotland - spouse: Peter GRAHAM
marriage: 9 Oct 1909

My tree has these individuals in it :-

Susan Clusker born 1892 to a Bridget Martin and John Clusker in Burntisland, Fife, Scotland.

Susan Clusker born 1886 to a Mary McDade and James Clusker in Uphall, West Lothian, Scotland, United Kingdom

Peter Graham born 1887 in Crossford, South Lanarkshire, Scotland to to a Peter Graham and Mary Watson.

Regards,

James

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Jan 2013 09:12

Not sure what you're looking for

You have a marriage record..........the ages of the couple and names of their parents will be on the cert.

Have you checked emigration records on Ancestry?

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 18 Jan 2013 10:14

Hi Reggie,

I am trying to establish Susan's maiden name to see if this marriage is connected to individuals in my tree, and if the family in the 1920 Census are one and the same..

I do not have a marriage certificate, I looked on SP and could not find anything, all I have is this from an Ancestral File I found on FamilySearch.org:-

Bride: Susan CLUSKER
birth: 1891 Crossford? Lanark, Scotland - spouse: Peter GRAHAM
marriage: 9 Oct 1909

As you and others have pointed out to me before, these files are not always reliable

Best Wishes,

James

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 18 Jan 2013 10:25

The image says they immigrated in 1904, and were natualised in 1910.

Assuming they declared/remembered the correct year, the 1909 marriage is a bit suspect.

Gins

Gins Report 18 Jan 2013 10:33

Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947
about Susan Graham
Name: Susan Graham
[Susan Clusker]
Birth Date: 17 Apr 1887
Birth Place: Scotland
Death Date: 10 Feb 1928
Death Place: Springfield, Sangamon, Illinois
Burial Date: 13 Feb 1928
Burial Place: Springfield, Sangamon, Ills.
Cemetery Name: Calvary
Death Age: 40
Occupation: Housework, self
Race: White
Marital Status: M
Gender: Female
Residence: Springfield, Sangamon, Illinois
Father Name: James Clusker
Father Birth Place: Ireland
Mother Name: Mary McDade
Mother Birth Place: Scotland
Spouse Name: Peter Graham
FHL Film Number: 1614307

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 18 Jan 2013 11:08

Gins,

That is brilliant, I wish I had your know how, you and all the other volunteers never cease to amaze me, well done :-)

Her death in 1928 makes sense as the Peter Graham in the Ancestral File is showing as marrying again in 1930 and his death as 1963.

The children in the 1920 census could possibly be the children of Susan Clusker and Peter Graham as they were all born between 1910 and 1915.

I tried establish parents for the Peter Graham born in Scotland 1915 by doing a search on SP between 1914 and 1916, it produced 13 results but none have any images, you have to order and at £12 a time way out of my reach.

Thanks Again,

James

Gins

Gins Report 18 Jan 2013 11:12

Here he is with his new wife

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Peter Graham
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1887
Birthplace: Scotland
Race: White
Home in 1930: Springfield, Sangamon, Illinois
View Map
Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1904
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Graham
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland

Household Members: Name Age
Peter Graham 43
Mary Graham 27
Peter Graham 16
John Graham 10


1940 United States Federal Census
Name: Peter Graham
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Scotland
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Springfield, Sangamon, Illinois
View Map
Street: Renepro Street
House Number: 2153
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: Springfield, Sangamon, Illinois
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Sheet Number: 1B
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 24
Occupation: Miner
House Owned or Rented: Owned
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 2500
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 3rd year
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 24
Duration of Unemployment: 156
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work
Income: 1200
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Graham 53
Mary Graham 36
John Graham 19
Robert Graham 17
James Graham 16
George Graham 15
Grace Graham 14


Gins

Gins Report 18 Jan 2013 11:15

Social Security Death Index
Name: Peter Graham
SSN: 348-09-3219
Last Residence: Illinois
Born: 3 Feb 1887
Died: Jan 1963
State (Year) SSN issued: Illinois (Before 1951)

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 18 Jan 2013 11:28

Hi Gins,

This has to be the Peter Graham born 1887 in Crossford, South Lanarkshire, Scotland to a Peter Graham and Mary Watson that I already have in my tree. His mother Mary Watson, died in Springfield, Sangamon County, Illinois.

Interestingly I have his sister Agnes Graham married to Susan Clusker's brother Anthony Clusker.

Thanks Again,

James

Gins

Gins Report 18 Jan 2013 11:29

1930 United States Federal Census
about Grace Graham
Name: Grace Graham
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1926
[abt 1925]
Birthplace:llinois
IRace: White
Home in 1930: Mesa, Maricopa, Arizona
View Map
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Niece
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland<<<But this doesnt fit, as Mary was born, Ilinois

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Mclachlan 56
Grace Mclachlan 49
Alexander Mclachlan 19
John Mclachlan 14
Peter Mclachlan 8
Grace Graham 4<<<<<<<<<<
[4 5/12]
Elizabeth Egan 17

So, Im wondering if Peter' wife was Mary Mclachlan?

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 18 Jan 2013 11:56

Hi Gins,

This is what I have relating to his second marriage:-

Ancestral File

name: (Karnes) Mary O. SAWYER (AFN: CMPV-GT)
gender: female
birth: 1891
death:
marriage: 20 February 1930

Also in regards to the child Peter Graham born in Scotland 1915, Peter's father married to Mary Watson was born in 1844 in Lesmahagow, South Lanarkshire, Scotland and one of the Peter's in SP search was also born in Lesmahagow, coincidence?

1914 GRAHAM PETER M LESMAHAGOW/LANARK 649/01 0054 No Image

James

Margee

Margee Report 18 Jan 2013 11:59

On Susan's arrival in USA in 1904 she says she's going to join uncle John McDaid. Marquette, Illinois.

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Susan E Clusker Name: Susan E Clusker
Arrival Date: 25 Apr 1904
Birth Date: abt 1887
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Irish
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Columbia
Search Ship Database: Search the Columbia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database


Margee

Margee Report 18 Jan 2013 12:14

1910 United States Federal Census
about Peter Graham Name: Peter Graham
Age in 1910: 23
Birth Year: abt 1887
[1887]
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1910: Dubuque Ward 4, Dubuque, Iowa
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1905
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Marital Status: Married
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John A Cuningham 35
Loretta M Cuningham 30
Margaret Cuningham 3
Eleanor Cuningham 3
Mary Cuningham 0
[11/12]
Peter Graham 23
Susan Graham 24



OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 18 Jan 2013 12:17

Thanks Margee,

Possibly a different Susan as my Susan was definitely born in Uphall, West Lothian, Scotland on 17/04/1886.

However my Susan's mother was a McDade and her parents may have come from Ireland just like her father James Clusker's parents.

When I am finished with sorting out Peter Graham and Susan Clusker's children I will look into that further as the only McDade I have in my tree at the moment is her mother who is a Mary McDade.

Best Wishes

James

Gins

Gins Report 18 Jan 2013 12:22

Cook County, Illinois Birth Index, 1916-1935
Name: Grace Graham
Birth Date: 30 May 1926
Birth Location: Cook County, IL
File Number: 6032818
Archive Collection Name: Cook County Genealogy Records (Births)
Archive repository location: Chicago, IL
Archive repository name: Cook County Clerk

Social Security Death Index
Name: Grace England
SSN: 492-24-0134
Last Residence: 80014 Aurora, Arapahoe, Colorado, United States of America
Born: 30 May 1926
Died: Jul 1986
State (Year) SSN issued: Missouri (Before 1951)


Social Security Death Index
Name: William England
SSN: 498-12-5544
Born: 23 Mar 1924
Last Benefit: 80014 Aurora, Arapahoe, Colorado, United States of America
Died: Sep 1983
State (Year) SSN issued: Missouri (Before 1951)

U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 2
about William T England
Name: William T England
Birth Date: 23 Mar 1924
Address: 12455 E Amherst Cir, Aurora, CO, 80014-3305

U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 1
Name: Grace V England Jr
Birth Date: 30 May 1926
Phone Number: 369-0682
Address: 12455 E Amherst Cir, Aurora, CO, 80014-3305 (1986)
[12445 E Amherst Cir, Denver, CO, 80210]


This might be worth some digging to check if this is Peter and Mary' daughter?

I'm not familier with BMD certificates for the above Counties, some have more restrictions than others.

Gins

Gins Report 18 Jan 2013 12:29

name: (Karnes) Mary O. SAWYER

The birth year you have for her is way out according to the two censuses that I pposted

Is her surname 'Karnes' or 'Sawyer'

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 18 Jan 2013 12:38

Hi Gins,

It probably is worth some looking into as it could possibly be Peter and Mary's daughter.

I am not familiar with many search methods including some BMD facilities and my poor eyesight coupled to my restricted use of some of my fingers after a stroke I sometimes have problems using my keyboard.

James

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 18 Jan 2013 12:47

Gins,

Not sure what her correct maiden name is, could be Karnes or Sawyer, my thoughts are that she was married before and one is the name she took in that marriage and the other was her birth name, which is which I have no idea :-S

James

Gins

Gins Report 18 Jan 2013 12:59

The 1920 census had Peter (The son) born Scotland but the 1930 has him born Illinois

I suspect that he was born in the US, otherwise it would mean the family had gone back to Scotland, had him and then back to the US - according to the other children' births

Gins

Gins Report 18 Jan 2013 13:00

Seems they other children

Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947
Name: Peter Graham
Birth Date: 4 Feb 1921
Birth Place: Springfield, Illinois
Death Date: 4 Feb 1921
Death Place: Springfield, Sangamon, Illinois
Burial Date: 5 Feb 1921
Death Age: 1 Day
Occupation: Infant
Race: White
Marital Status: S
Gender: Male
Street Address: 2304 S. 11 St.
Father Name: Peter Graham
Father Birth Place: Scotland
Mother Name: Clouster
Mother Birth Place: Scotland
FHL Film Number: 1570365

Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947
Name: Katleen Graham
Birth Date: abt 1915
Birth Place: City, Ill
Death Date: 25 Nov 1918
Death Place: Springfield, Cap , Sangamon, Illinois
Burial Date: 26 Nov 1918
Cemetery Name: Calvary
Death Age: 3
Occupation: None
Race: White
Marital Status: S
Gender: Female
Street Address: 2128 S. 12
Father Name: Peter Graham
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Name: Susan Graham
Mother Birth Place: England
FHL Film Number: 1544383