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James, this could be a red herring.

The two Kennedy births from Familysearch with mother Jane Dickey were in Antrim. I have stumbled across this.


Ireland 1841 / 1851 Census Abstracts.

Name: Jane Dickey
Relationship: Daughter
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Census Location: Antrim
Census Year: 1851
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Dickey 40
Mary Dickey 30
Rose Dickey 17
Margaret Dickey 13
Natheniel Dickey 12
Mary Dickey 11
Jane Dickey 9
Sally Dickey 8
Martha Dickey 4




Would value Eringobragh1916's thoughts on the Kennedy family as Ireland is one of her areas of expertise.

rootgatherer,

I followed your advice and checked a couple of the Kennedy children on Scotlands People and for Francis Kennedy the parents are shown as a Bernard Kennedy and a Jane Dickie married on 11/06/1868 in Dalry.

I decided to double check so I checked out Agnes, for Agnes Kennedy the parents are shown as a Bernard Kennedy and a Jane Marron married on 08/06/1868 in Dalry.

I then checked for a marriage for Bernard in 1968, nothing under statutory marriages, the only marriage I could find was this one under Catholic Marriages and as it is a church record there is not a lot of information shown :-

08/06/1868 KENNEDY BERNARD MARRON JANE DALRY, ST PALLADIUS

St Palladius being the R C Church in Dalry

I will check Scotlands people for a death of a Jane Dickey

James :-S

rootgatherer,

That is excellent, thank you for that, I will have a look in Scotlands People at the children to try and establish Jane's maiden name and the date and place of the marriage.

Best Wishes,

James

Kennedy family in 1891

Name: John Kennedy
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Barney Kennedy
Mother's Name: Jane Kennedy
Gender: Male
Where born: Motherwell, Lanarksh
Registration number: 639
Registration district: Dalziel
Civil parish: Dalziel
Town: Motherwell
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 41 Logans Rows
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 42
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1891_235
Household Members: Name Age
Barney Kennedy 45 b. Wishaw, Lanarkshire
Jane Kennedy 46
Ellen Kennedy 17 b. Ireland
Agnes Kennedy 15 b. Motherwell
Francis Kennedy 11 b. Motherwell
John Kennedy 8 b. Motherwell
James Kennedy 6 b. Motherwell

1881

Name: Bernard Kennedy
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Kennedy
Gender: Male
Where born: Wishaw, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 647
Registration district: Hamilton
Civil parish: Hamilton
Town: Motherwell
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 31 Watsonville Rows
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 22
Household schedule number: 28
Line: 22
Roll: cssct1881_260
Household Members: Name Age
Bernard Kennedy 35
Jane Kennedy 36
Sarah Ann Kennedy 14 b. Ireland
Mary Jane Kennedy 11 b. Ireland
Theresa Kennedy 9 b. Ireland
Helen Kennedy 8 b. Ireland
Agnes Kennedy 5
Francis Kennedy 1



So a birth certificate for one of the children born in Motherwell will give Jane's maiden surname and the date and place of Bernard and Jane's marriage.


Bit of guesswork here. From Familysearch.

name: Theresa
gender: Female
baptism/christening place: 115, AHOGHILL, ANT, IRE
birth date: 26 May 1871
birthplace: Ahoghill, Ant, Ire
father's name: Bernard Kennedy
mother's name: Jane Dickey
indexing project (batch) number: C70144-8
system origin: Ireland-VR
source film number: 255817


name: Mary Jane
gender: Female
baptism/christening place: 113, AHOGHILL, ANT, IRE
birth date: 18 Apr 1869
birthplace: Ahoghill, Ant, Ire
father's name: Barnett Kennedy
mother's name: Jane Dickey
indexing project (batch) number: C70138-6
system origin: Ireland-VR
source film number: 101185

Thanks for that Eringobragh1916,

Another pair of eyes is desperately needed here, three years ago they promised me an operation to remove the cataracts in both my eyes, then the cuts came in and unfortunately those needing cataracts seen to were one of the many losers.

I suppose that is what our government means when they say the NHS is safe in their hands :-(

Anyway, I have checked and I have a Helen Clusker, daughter of James Clusker and Mary McDade, born 23 June 1893 in Fauldhouse, West Lothian, on the 1901 Census for Scotland she is shown as Ellen.

James

James...I have spent some time looking for and at the Cummings /Clusker conncetion..it has proved a nightmare to say the least ..gets more complicated as it goes on...best have another pair of eyes here.!!

Alex Cummings married Ellen M..? Clusker in Illinois sometime prior to birth of their ? first child Mary in 1915...

Ellen M shows her immigration year as 1907..well cant find her under Clusker/variables..have tried years earlier and following 1907.

Alex. Cummings....You are going to get confused with this one...!!

Alex (17) travelled out with his Mother isabelle bro.Malcolm and his "Step father" James Burrows on the Mauretania arriving NY 22 Aug 1908.
Going to brother Wm J Cummings ?102/103 North Walnut Springfield Sangamon Illinois.

His mother travelled under "Burrows"....

NOK in Scotland down as Alred Burrows 167 Buchanan St. Coatbridge.

Checked out family in Springfield and they are all there (1930)...dont get confused with J.William Cummings and William J.Cummings..!!!

Malcom Cummings was b Old Monkland.

Eringobragh1916,

I do have the youngest son of James Clusker and Mary McDade as a
John Clusker born 1895 in Fauldhouse, West Lothian, the basic SP search I did only has him as John.

The image of his birth certificate may show more but that will have to wait as I have well exceeded my budget on SP for this month. It will be a fairly accurate assumption that the P stands for Peter as the use of that as a middle name was quite common in the Clusker family.

James

Morning Eringobragh1916,

Dominick Clusker was born 07/04/1887 to James Clusker and Mary McDade unfortunately he died in infancy from a fever on 30/06/1888 in Fauldhouse, West Lothian :-D

James

Morning James....

The info.that mgnv has supplied for you is all relative to the Cluckers.ag James and Mary ...

John P Clusker is the younger son of James and Mary.
The John Kennedy if you recall is the one who stated he was going to his "Aunt" Mary Clusker...his nok in Scotland was his mother Jane Kennedy in Motherwell....now he could be connected through the McDade side or the Clusker's...it may be easier at this time to check the Motherwell connection...

I didnt see a Dominick Clusker along the way....what happened to him.??

Morning mgnv,

Wow, thank you for that, I will try and work my way through that over the course of today as I am curios to find out if the Kennedy's and Cumming's are connected in any way to my family, .

I did find this link interesting as I have a child named Dominick in my tree and he is a Dominick Clusker the son of James Clusker married to a Mary McDade, coincidence the use of the name Dominick along with Dominick M. Dade.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NQJG-6P8

Thanks Again for this,

James

You can search all US censuses at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES
There are free images there for 1900/1940.

1940 Peter & Ruth https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KWZN-5HQ
[addy=606 (North) 4th St, near Carpenter]
1940 Peter & Mary https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KWZJ-TY9
continued on next sheet - note footer there.
[addy=2153 Renefro St - presumably now S Renfro St, between (and parallel to) 15th and 16th St's, just S of Ash]
1940 Agnes https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KWZV-YBH
[addy=2234 Holmes]
1940 Cath https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KWZP-YVK
[addy=2208 S 15th St]

1940 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KWZN-LXT
Don't know these folk, but they're the only other Cluskers around:
head John P Clusker M 45 Scotland
wife Mary Clusker F 45 Scotland
daughter Susan Clusker F 15 Illinois
NB possibly relevant https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N3DK-W3T
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NQS4-NKS

1910-1930 Magnify image 4 clicks, then save:
1910 Anthony http://archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po326unit#page/n365/mode/1up
1920 Peter http://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu407unit#page/n557/mode/1up
1920 Antony http://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu407unit#page/n558/mode/1up
1920 Cath http://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu407unit#page/n565/mode/1up
1920 Sarah K http://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu406unit#page/n541/mode/1up
self John Kennedy M 38y Scotland
wife Mary Kennedy F 39y Scotland
dau Mary Kennedy F 18y Scotland
dau Jane Kennedy F 15y Scotland
dau Sarah Kennedy F 10y Scotland
dau Katie Kennedy F 9y Scotland
dau Teresa Kennedy F 5y2m Illinois
son John Kennedy M 3y7m Illinois

1930 Agnes http://archive.org/stream/illinoiscensus00reel559#page/n755/mode/1up
1930 James http://archive.org/stream/illinoiscensus00reel559#page/n927/mode/1up
1930 Peter http://archive.org/stream/illinoiscensus00reel559#page/n973/mode/1up
1930 Cath http://archive.org/stream/illinoiscensus00reel559#page/n928/mode/1up
1930 Sarah (aka Sally) http://archive.org/stream/illinoiscensus00reel559#page/n989/mode/1up
head John Kennedy M 48 Scotland
wife Mary Kennedy F 50 Scotland
son John Kennedy M 14 Illinois
daughter Sallie Kennedy F 20 Scotland
daughter Theresa Kennedy F 16 Illinois

apparent stray, but living in area (2 pages from Peter)
1930 Jane http://archive.org/stream/illinoiscensus00reel559#page/n971/mode/1up
head Alexander Cummings M 38 Scotland
wife Ellen M Cummings F 32 Scotland
daughter Mary A Cummings F 15 Illinois
son William J Cummings M 13 Illinois
son Anthony Cummings M 11 Illinois
son Francis Cummings M 6 Illinois
mother in law Jane Clusker F 75 Ireland

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NQJG-6P8

This is shipping record

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Sarah Kennedy
Arrival Date: 1 Dec 1913
Birth Date: abt 1911
Birth Location: Scotland
Birth Location Other: shotto
Age: 2
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Columbia

Mary Kennedy
Mary Kennedy
Jane Kennedy

Going to Husband John Kennedy and Aunt Clusker. So it looks like John did travel in Oct 1913 but the others didnt. Maybe Johns name was crossed through, along with the other, but he did in fact travel

Eringobragh1916 and Gins,

While searching for Kells in Ireland sites I noticed this:-

Kells, County Meath, not to be confused with Kells, County Antrim, or Kells, County Kilkenny :-S

I am going to log off for today, after 9 hours my eyes are telling me they need a rest :-(

Best Wishes and thanks to you both,

James

Footy....we're away today, so its the radio for me

:-D

Gins I have no idea but the Patrick and Susan (McClare) Kells Co Meath had children as late as 1877....none of the names of James Clusker and Mary McDades family follow the pattern other than a Susan and latterly a Patrick (1901)....


James the Kennedy's must have either travelled same time as Philip and Cath.or else later that year/1915 (cant find them) although it has 1916 immigration year on 1930 Census..TERESA was b 1915 Illinois.

Time for Football....

So could this be Susan

1901
Residents of a house 5 in Pitcher Lane (Kells, Meath)

Clusky Susan 75 Female Head of Family R Catholic

I'm still :-S over Nellie Phillips being listed on James death entry? Why wouldnt it be Susan?


Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
Name: Susan Clusker
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1902
Death Age: 82
Registration district: Kells
Death Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 640
FHL Film Number: 101601

James...Thats news to me..!!

This is the John Kennedy and family who were listed on the same manifest as Philip and Cath.(1913) they eventually went out 1916....

me: John Kennedy
residence: Woodside Township, Sangamon, Illinois
estimated birth year: 1882
age: 38
birthplace: Scotland
relationship to head of household: Self
gender: Male
race: White
marital status: Married
father's birthplace:
mother's birthplace:
film number: 1820406
digital folder number: 4300581
image number: 00545
sheet number: 20
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self John Kennedy M 38y Scotland
wife Mary Kennedy F 39y Scotland
dau Mary Kennedy F 18y Scotland
dau Jane Kennedy F 15y Scotland
dau Sarah Kennedy F 10y Scotland
dau Katie Kennedy F 9y Scotland
dau Teresa Kennedy F 5y2m Illinois
son John Kennedy M 3y7m Illinois

Just to bamboozle matters more, it appears there was several placed named Kells in Ireland :-S

Gins....I have followed through on the ?? Patrick (1820) and Susan McLare (1820)..well Pat.and Susan (McClare) were having children well into the 1870's..not beyond the realms of possibility for him but not her...something wrong


"As to the James Clusker saga, I have a Patrick Clusker b1821 in Kells, Co Meath in Ireland who married a Susan MacLare b1820 also in Kells, Co Meath in Ireland, but I have there son James Clusker b1856 married to a Mary McDade b1857 "
from James thread 12.07 today

Ireland, Selections of Catholic Parish Baptisms, 1742-1881

Name: Eleanor McMahon Phillips
Parish: Kilcloon, Batterstown and Kilcock
Diocese: Meath
County: Meath and Kildare
Baptism Date: 6 Sep 1829
Father's Name: John Phillips
Mother's Name: Jane Phillips
Sponsor Witness 1: Joseph Rinsella
Sponsor Witness 2: Susan Magrath

I'm just popping this here so we can have a root around