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Brian
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21 Jan 2013 19:04 |
To Patcham. I have Wilfred born 1879 so his death in 1962 could have been possible.
To Shirley. Your info re Helen/Nelly Farnworth tie up as far as birth date in Oct 19019, death in 2002 aged 91 and aged 2 in thw 1911c . However, the 1911c indicates that Ann Jane Farnworth, nee Marsden was the mother of Nelly and that she married William Farnworth in Sep 1904. The only William Farnworth I have is the father, b 1839 of Cyril (who married Lilian). Not sure whether this is correct but thanks for the data.
I may follow it up with the solicitors who handled Lilian`s estate but donn`t know whether they will divulge any information.
Another lead may be to contact other named beneficiiaries in the will but it is 27 years since Lilian died and I don`t who may still be alive. One contact could be a relation, Joan Thompson, nee Bucklar who was the daughter of Leonard Willet Bucklar, Lilian`s brother.
Many thanks again to all respondents
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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19 Jan 2013 16:17 |
Brian the GRO ref have changed for later death refs i gave the full details you would need to get the death cert.
Devizes & Marlborough registration district).
MARLBOROUGH REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Wiltshire. Created : 1.7.1837. Abolished : 1.10.1998 (to become part of Devizes & Marlborough registration district). Sub-districts : Marlborough. GRO volumes : VIII (1837–51), 5a (1852–1936), 7C (1936–74), 23 (1974–92). Registers now held by : Wiltshire.
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19 Jan 2013 13:42 |
Further details of Shirley's post as requested
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: FARNWORTH, Helen Registration district: Devizes & Marlborough County: Wiltshire Year of registration: 2000 Month of registration: November Date of birth: 8 October 1909 District no: 7891 Reg no: 4D Ent no: 007 DOR: 1100
And now! - how does William Farnworth fit??
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Brian
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19 Jan 2013 13:25 |
Many thanks to all respondents and I apologise for the mistakes in dates. Lilian Bucklar was born 25 Oct 1886 and died 31 Dec 1985
To Andrew. Had not thought about the line that Nelly could have been born to Alice, Ann (Amy?|) or Constance out of wedlock. Should have realised the possibility since my father in law was illegitemate and took the name of his mother.
To Patchman. I had not seen the 1911c but your details tie up and I note that all children were single at the time. Lilian made her will on the 11th day of Oct 1984. Probate was granted on the 3rd day of April 1986 and David John Eric Diplock of 15 Prince Albert Street, Brighton, East Sussex was the named executor. The other executor was Alec Sharples of Battery Cottage, Noss May near Plymouth, Devon. There were 15 named beneficiiaries. The residuary estate was divided into4 equal parts.One was left to Betty Sharples and three shares were left to Nelly.
To Reggie. Yes I got the dates wrong and thanks for the lead to freebmd.
To Catherine. Many thanks for the info.
To Stuart. Many thanks for the info. As above Lilian made her will 11 Oct 1984.
To Shirley. Looks like a match for Nelly (Helen). Could you please give further details of the Reg District Dev & Marl?. Also do you have a volume & Page No of death Certificate?.
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Brian
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18 Jan 2013 18:35 |
Apologies, but have just noticed that bd of Lilian should be 1886 not 1866
Brian Bucklar
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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18 Jan 2013 18:08 |
If Helen was still alive in 1986 when Lilian died then this is the only death after then to 2005
Name: Helen Farnworth Birth Date: 8 Oct 1909 Date of Registration: Nov 2000 Age at Death: 91 Registration district: Dev & Marl Register Number: 4D District and Subdistrict: 7891 Entry number: 7
?? Name: Nellie Farnworth Age in 1911: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909 Relation to Head: Granddaughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Darwen, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Darwen County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 12 Ashworth Terrace Registration district: Blackburn Registration District Number: 474 Sub-registration district: Darwen ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Piece: 25156 Household Members: Name Age Margaret Ann Marsden 69 Ann Jane Farnworth 35 married 6 years Nellie Farnworth 2 Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 25156; ; .
Marriages Sep 1904 Farnworth William Blackburn 8e 937 Marsden Ann Jane Blackburn 8e 937
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patchem
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18 Jan 2013 17:19 |
Do you know if this is Wilfred's death? Deaths Dec 1952 FARNWORTH Wilfred 74 Barton 10b 306
There are several possible marriages for him.
There was only one Nellie Farnworth showing on 192.com - living in Wigan in 2002. She possibly died in 2002, and was born in 1921. Father could have been John, so leave her out.
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greyghost
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18 Jan 2013 17:13 |
If her name was Helen Farnworth, then there are only 3 born between 1890 and 1945. The dates presume that the wives of the male siblings of Cyril were approx the same age as their husbands or about earliest date one of the girls could have had a child. They are 1908 - Bolton, Lancs Sep Qtr 8c 445 1920 - Lanchester, Durham Dec Qtr 10a 696 1938 - Leicester Jun Qtr 7a 442 Helen A (mmn Hinton, so a younger bride of one of the brothers, if at all)
If she was Nellie, then there are quite a few, all in Lancs including 1912 - Bolton, Lancs Jun Qtr 8c 672
(Did Lilian make an early will and not change it, as most of these possible nieces could well have pre deceased her or were they a long lived family)
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Catherine
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18 Jan 2013 17:04 |
1901 England Census about Lilian J Bucklar Name: Lilian J Bucklar Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Harry Bucklar Mother's Name: Eliza Bucklar Gender: Female Where born: Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Leicester formerly North Evington Ecclesiastical parish: Evington St Denis County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Street Address:
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Registration district: Leicester Sub-registration district: North East Leicester ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 216 Piece: 2998 Folio: 112 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Harry Bucklar 46 Eliza Bucklar 48 Maud E Bucklar 25 Lilian J Bucklar 14 Ernest E Bucklar 12 Leonard W Bucklar 5 Ivy Sinnett 18
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Catherine
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18 Jan 2013 17:03 |
for info:-
1891 England Census about Lilian Jemima Bucklar Name: Lilian Jemima Bucklar Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation: Sister Gender: Female Where born: Leicester, Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Islip Ecclesiastical parish: Islip Town: Islip County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Street Address:
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Registration district: Thrapston Sub-registration district: Thrapston ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1220 Folio: 78 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Waller Bucklar 28 Sarah Ann Bucklar 24 Jemina Bucklar 34 Lilian Jemima Bucklar 4
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18 Jan 2013 16:54 |
Nellie could have been the wife of a nephew, who'd outlived her husband.
Try some research on freebmd
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ErikaH
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18 Jan 2013 16:53 |
For the sake of accuracy
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 Name: Lilian Jemima Farnworth Birth Date: 26 Oct 1886 Date of Registration: Jan 1986 Age at Death: 99 Registration district: Hove Inferred County: Sussex Volume: 18 Page: 1329
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ErikaH
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18 Jan 2013 16:51 |
Your dates don't make sense
My Gt Aunt Lilian Jemima Bucklar b 25 Oct 1866 d 31Dec 1885 in Hove, East Sussex. She married Cyril Farnworth (b 1889 in Turton, Lancashire) in Tientsan, China on 8 Oct 1919.
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patchem
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18 Jan 2013 16:49 |
You have her marrying in 1919, but died in 1885. Is this the other way round? Who else did she leave her money to, and were there any middle names for them? Thanks
Added: For ref: 1911 England Census Sarah Alice Farnworth Age in 1911: 63 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Turton, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Bolton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Cubbins Sharples Bolton Lancs Marital Status: Widowed Registration district: Bolton Registration District Number: 461 Sub-registration district: Tonge ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Piece: 23361 Sarah Alice Farnworth 63 Alice Farnworth 37 single Amy Farnworth 35 single Wilfred Farnworth 32 single Frank Farnworth 31 single Henry Farnworth 27 single Constance Farnworth 24 single Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 23361; ; .
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Andrew
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18 Jan 2013 16:45 |
She could also have been a daughter of one of the girls born out of wedlock
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Brian
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18 Jan 2013 16:40 |
My Gt Aunt Lilian Jemima Bucklar b 25 Oct 1866 d 31Dec 1885 in Hove, East Sussex. She married Cyril Farnworth (b 1889 in Turton, Lancashire) in Tientsan, China on 8 Oct 1919. Cyril had 6 siblings all born in Little Bolton, Lancashire, viz Alice b 1875, Ann b 1876, Wilfred b 1879, Frank b 1880, Harry b 1884 and Constance b 1897. The Will of Lilian left Nellie (aka Helen) Farnworth, her niece, a substantial legacy. Nellie must have presumably been the daughter of either Wilfred, Frank or Harry but my research into her past has so far drawn a blank. It would be appreciated if anyone can supply further details of Nellie.
Many thanks in anticipation, Brian Bucklar
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