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Marion Boulton nee Riddick b.1878 Scotland

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GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 19 Jan 2013 14:34

Re: Marion Jack Tait who died in Glasgow 1919.....
I ran an SP check
This woman is not relevant to this thread
She was 75yrs old when she died. Means she was born circa 1848.
She married William Ford Grimstone in Lanarkshire in 1868
Was born in Hamilton, Lanarkshire, daughter of John Tait and (another ) Marion Jack

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 19 Jan 2013 15:44

thanks once again Anne - and everyone else who has helped so magnificently

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 19 Jan 2013 20:46

any chance of discovering where Henry died? UK or USA?

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 19 Jan 2013 23:02

Ann,
I am becoming confused about this family and wonder if separate families are being mixed up
So far:
Henry John Boulton and Marion Jack Riddick married in 1900
At 1901 they were living in Coleford, Monmouthshire and had no children
At 1911, Marion is in the workhouse, married 11 yrs and had 2 living children called Lily ( age7) and Harry. (age5)
There is no trace of her husband at this point, but he fits the profile of a man who returned from Boston to the UK in Sep 1909. This man was a chauffeur and travelling alone.

In 1915, a child named Elizabeth M Boulton is registered in Monmouth, mothers name: Reddick
In 1916 a child is named Doris W is registered in Chepstow, Glamorgan, mothers name Reddick.

However, the birth of the child named Montague Napier M Boulton was registered in Monmouthshire in 1901..
There is no mother's name on the Anc record but he cannot be the child of Henry and Marion... she had only 2 children at 1911
A child named Montague Wilson Boulton is registered in London 1907. No mothers surname
Another child named Montague Alfred Boulton is reistered in Bristol 1907. No mother's surname.

Who are Monty and Maud that you refer to on your thread? Where did the info come from?

Anne

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 20 Jan 2013 00:34

Can't help with deaths of either Henry or Marion but Henry John Boutlton was the Son of Henry William Boulton and Jane Woollen.
This couple also had a son named William Samuel Boulton and this man lived in Canada.
It was his parents who visited him in 1924!

1881 England Census about Henry W. Boulton
Name: Henry W. Boulton
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Boulton
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Cheltenham
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 9 Waterloo
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: General Labr
Registration district: Cheltenham
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2573
Folio: 32
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry W. Boulton 24
Jane Boulton 24
Annie E. Boulton 4
William S. Boulton 3 *
Lucy F. Boulton 1
William Wooler 18 (brother in law)


1891 England Census about Henry Boulton
Name: Henry Boulton
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Boulton
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Cheltenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Cheltenham
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Cheltenham
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2045
Folio: 130
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Boulton 34
Jane Boulton 34
Eliza Boulton 15
William Boulton 13 *
Luiz Boulton 11
Henry Boulton 9 *
Matilda Boulton 7
Rose Boulton 6
John Boulton 11/12
Alice Wollen 22
Ellen Wollen 17


1911 England Census about Jane Boulton
Name: Jane Boulton
Age in 1911: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Civil parish: Cheltenham
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: Lumsden, Tewkesbury Road, Cheltenham
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 36
Estimated Marriage Year: 1875
Registration district: Cheltenham
Registration District Number: 333
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 341
Piece: 15537
Household Members:
Name Age
Harry Boulton 55
Jane Boulton 55. married 36yrs. 9 children. 8 still living

William Samuel Boulton:
1901 England Census about William Boulton
Name: William Boulton
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ruth Boulton
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Swindon
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address:
View image
Registration district: Swindon
Sub-registration district: Swindon
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 36
Piece: 1909
Folio: 130
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
William Boulton 23
Ruth Boulton 25
Ruth Boulton 4
Emily Boulton 2
William Boulton 9 Months
Ada Broadhurst 13

1911 Census of Canada about Wm Bowlton
Name: Wm Bowlton
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 33
Birth Date: Feb 1878
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Ruth E Bowlton
Immigration Year: 1910
Tribal: English
Province: Ontario
District: Perth North
District Number: 110
Sub-District: Stratford
Sub-District Number: 36
Place of Habitation: 13 Trinity
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Bowlton 33
Ruth E Bowlton 35
Ruth Bowlton 15
Emily Bowlton 13
William Bowlton 11

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 20 Jan 2013 00:49

you are amazing Anne - quite amazing, and thank you so much for the certificte - my friend - who is in the land of nod at the moment, will have a happy face in the morning when he gets this lot - I'll ask about Monty and wotsit and come back to you

Ann XX

mgnv

mgnv Report 20 Jan 2013 07:26

1911
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002012930.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002012931.pdf

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 20 Jan 2013 11:04

thank you mgnv - very grateful

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 20 Jan 2013 17:21

just looked back through - Monty must be Montague


Elizabeth was born 1915 Doris Winifred was 1916. She went into the workhouse in Sept 16th 1910 and came out in April 1911. Henry went to America came back in 1909, then emigrated in 1910 with Maud and Monty. Came back into Liverpool, but don't know when he first went or from where. would like a marriage certificate for Henry and Marion, Marion's death certificate and info on Henry going to America and what month he returnd in 1910

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 20 Jan 2013 18:23

Hi Ann,
I still can't see how the child called Monty or Montague could be the son of Henry and Marion.
The only potential child was born in Monmouthshire in 1901.
He would be 9yrs old at the time of the 1911 census

At 1911 Marion states she had just two children, both living and both in the workhouse with her. They were Lily age 7 and Harry. age 5

At 1910, how could her husband have emigrated with TWO other children?
I cannot see how either Monty or Maud could be theirs.
I am not 100% certain that Elizabeth b1915 and Doris b 1916 were their children either.
Their surname was Boulton and their mother's name was Reddick,. Even if this was Marion J Riddick, who was the father????

Are you sure that there is no confusion with another Henry Boulton?
It was a fairly common name in Gloucestershire.


Which child is your friend a descendant of?
Anne

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 20 Jan 2013 18:31

I shall get back to you Anne - thank you so much for your time

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 20 Jan 2013 19:05

Mmmm,
I did find a 1910 emigration from Liverpool to New York for a man called Harry Boulton, and his family who arrived NY 8 Jan 1910
This family were enroute to Pennsylvania

They were from the North East of England.
This Harry Boulton was a printer and 10yrs older than Henry John Boulton
Wife was called Edith, and their children were Frederick Harry age 17 , and Lillias aged 11.

Anne

Cameron

Cameron Report 21 Jan 2013 06:40

Hi Anne,
I will try and get more info on this family of Boulton and get back to you and Ann. Thank you so much for all you have done on this.

Cameron

Cameron

Cameron Report 21 Jan 2013 21:11

Hi Anne I have sent you a PM re Boulton thread,

Regards
Cameron

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 22 Jan 2013 00:09


It appears that Henry John Boulton did emigrate to the US in 1910.
Montague is his son and is found in Canada 1911 with Henry's married sister.

In the US at 1920 and 1930 Montague is found to be with his father
The entire family have changed their last name, and is the reason that I could not locate them before.

PM sent to Cameron with all the info

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 22 Jan 2013 00:11

he will be pleased Anne - he doesn't come on here very often as you can see :-)

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 22 Jan 2013 00:17

Hi Ann.....
I am gobsmacked!
I was sooo sceptical about this and could not see how the info could possibly be right
Henry and Maud not only emigrated....they changed their last name!
So did Monty.

Apologies from me to you both .
Xx

mgnv

mgnv Report 22 Jan 2013 05:05

Anne - Re "The entire family have changed their last name, and is the reason that I could not locate them before."

I don't really understand what you're on about - Lucy's changed her name from Boulton to Woodhouse, but this was quite normal for women upon marriage.
I hardly think a respelling of Boulton as Bolton by the enumerator counts as a change of name - more like a not unexpected consequence of the difference in the ways the censuses were administered.

In the UK, from 1841 on, the enumerator would drop off a blank form a few days before census Sunday for the householder to fill in, then collect the completed forms on the Monday (or maybe Tuesday) and check them over and maybe help fill in forms for folk who had difficulties. An enumerator never had more than 15 miles on his walk.

Even though literacy was higher in Canada than the UK at that time, it wasn't a practicable way of conducting Canadian (or US) censuses (NB All our h/h over age 7 could read & write). The difference in population density meant that some Canadian districts assigned over 500 sq miles to be covered by 1 man. Clearly then, the best way to handle this is to go to the house and collect the data on the door step (or kitchen table, more like). It takes longer to collect the data, but the big factor here is saving one round of travel time on his "walk".

So the enumerator respelled Boulton as Bolton - big deal.

mgnv

mgnv Report 22 Jan 2013 05:06

1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Perth North / 43 Stratford / page 1
9 3 Woodhouse John M Head M May 1876 35
10 3 Woodhouse Lucy F. F Wife M Oct 1879 31
11 3 Woodhouse Dorothy H. M. F Daughter S Aug 1900 10
12 3 Woodhouse Violet N. F Daughter S Mar 1902 9
13 3 Woodhouse Steela Flossie J. F Daughter S Feb 1904 7
14 3 Woodhouse Samuel M Brother S Apr 1883 28
15 3 Bolton John S. M Brother-in-law S Oct 1889 21
16 3 Bolton Montague N. M. M Nephew S Aug 1901 9

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002013032.pdf

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
WOODHOUSE John BOULTON Lucy Fanny Gloucester Churchdown St Bartholomew 1898 11 No 1 429


Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
WOODHOUSE Dorothy Hilda May WOODHOUSE WOODHOUSE BOULTON 1900 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 74 376
WOODHOUSE Nellie Violet WOODHOUSE WOODHOUSE BOULTON 1902 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 77 279
WOODHOUSE Stella Flossie Irene WOODHOUSE WOODHOUSE BOULTON 1904 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 81 25
WOODHOUSE Mary Ann Lucy WOODHOUSE WOODHOUSE BOULTON 1906 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 86 62


1901 England Census Transcription
Street:OLD ROW
Parish:GLOUCESTER
Town:
City:
County:Gloucestershire
Country:ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District:ALL SAINTS
Municipal Ward:ALLINGTON
Parliamentary Borough:GLOUCESTER
Registration District:GLOUCESTER
Registration Sub-District: South Hamlet
Enumeration District:17
Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:2430 Folio:44 Page:2

JOHN WOODHOUSE 1877 24 Kentchurch, Hereford HEAD M Midland Ry Drayman
LUCY F WOODHOUSE 1880 21 Cheltenham WIFE M
DOROTHY WOODHOUSE 1901 0[1m] Gloucester DAUGHTER
SAMUEL WOODHOUSE 1881 20 Kentchurch, Hereford BROTHER S Midland Ry Goods Porter
[I think Dorothy s.b. 7m old - enumerator mistranscription?]

Births Jun 1876 (>99%)
Woodhouse John Hereford 6a 544

Births Jun 1881 (>99%)
WOODHOUSE Samuel Hereford 6a 524

1881 England Census
Civil parish: Kentchurch
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Laundry Cott
Registration district: Hereford
Sub-registration district: Kentchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2597; Folio: 60; Page: 3; GSU roll: 1341626.

Mary Woodhouse 33 Kent, England Head M Gardeners Wife
James Woodhouse 14 Kentchurch, Hereford, England Son Farm Servant Indoor
Annie Woodhouse 7 Kentchurch, Hereford, England Daughter Scholar
John Woodhouse 4 Kentchurch, Hereford, England Son
Edward Woodhouse 3 Kentchurch, Hereford, England Son


Maybe:
1881 England Census
Civil parish: Churchdown
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: Old Elm Rd "Old Elm Inn"
Registration district: Gloucester
Sub-registration district: Kingsholm
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2529; Folio: 46; Page: 23; GSU roll: 1341610.

John Paterson 30 Swithland, Leicestershire, England Head M Innkeeper
Elizabeth Paterson 33 Castle Donnington, Leicestershire, England Wife M
Bertie Paterson 4 Longford, Ireland Son
Anne Paterson 2 Kentchurch, Hereford, England Daughter
Samuel Woodhouse 44 Kentchurch, Hereford, England Servant M Gardener (D)
Charlotte William 14 Grossmount, Monmouth, Wales Servant General Serv

mgnv

mgnv Report 22 Jan 2013 06:21

You can see the Stratford WW1 attestation papers via:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php
WOODHOUSE, JOHN 18/05/1877 602247
WOODHOUSE, SAMUEL 04/04/1882 LT 602179

I am confident the birthdays match their b.certs, but both say they're a year younger than they really are. (John was exact in 1911, Sam was 2 y too young).