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Here is that 1851. Look at the address.


1851 census transcription details for: 26, Barretts Court, Saint Marylebone, Marylebone
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1488
Folio: 36
Page: 64
Reg. District: Marylebone
Sub District: Rectory
Parish: Saint Marylebone
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: Rectory
City/Municipal Borough: Marylebone
Address: 26, Barretts Court, Saint Marylebone, Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MADDEN, Catharine Head Widow F 37 1814 Charwoman
Cork, Ireland
MADDEN, James Son M 13 1838 Errand Boy
London
MADDEN, Thomas Son M 11 1840 At School
London
MADDEN, Park Son M 3 1848
London
NORTHCOT, Mary Head Widow F 45 1806 Charwoman
London
PRESTON, Elisa Lodger Widow F 69 1782 Governess
London
COCKETT, Rosanna Lodger F 29 1822 Servant
London

On James birth certificate it says father is GEORGE PATRICK MADDEN, but on his marriage certificate to fanny is says PATRICK GEORGE !
I'm guessing as his father was also a Patrick he may have used his middle name of George..?

Alveigal yes both addresses were BARRETTS COURT - however I wonder why there is a CATHERINE - widow listed as head of family in 1851 yet in 1861 it reverts back to Bridget..... Any thoughts?

Perhaps she was Bridget Catherine? I really don't know for sure but my gggrandmother was Patience in every census but one, then she was Sarah!! No idea why, but it was definitely her.

Wow ok had thought of that xxx

Message from Debra,


i went to FIND MY PAST to locate the marriage info you kindly sent me on my thread.
i however noticed 2 very similar entries there for the marriage of PATRICK MADDEN to BRIDGET CARLLIN and.... BRIDGET CURLIN.
Both were for 22nd sept 1833 in st Anne, soho. westminster.
in your opinion would you say this is an error?
i treid to view the original document for 10 credits but there was only one available for the marriage to BRIDGET CURLIN.
however on downloading the image, it was for a GEORGE BARRETT!!!

I was hoping to check the correct spelling for bridgets surname, on the original document but am now unsure of how to do this.
i have done a searcg on genes reunited for a bridget curlin born c1816 give or take 10 years and it gave me nothing.
please can i ask your advice on how i might now procede?

Came across this earlier but didn't post as it seemed unlikely

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Patrick Madden Name: Patrick Madden
Spouse Name: Bridget Curtin
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Sep 1833
Parish: Westminster St Anne Soho
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript


But it is Curlin or poss Carlin on image,

I think this is what you found. From ancestry.


Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837 about Bridget Curlin
Name: Bridget Curlin
Spouse: Pat Madder
Marriage Date: 1833
Parish: St Anne

I have looked at the image and I would say the spouse's names is Pat Madden.


As Patchem said previously, accents play a major part in the mistranscription of names. If they are also illiterate, they cannot tell if their names have been written down incorrectly.


Liz

Wow thanks everyone x
I have also since looked at the image and agree it is Patrick Madden and Bridget Curlin.
I think they had 3 children: James John Madden born around 1834-38, Thomas born around 1840 and Patrick George Madden born around 1848 all in London.

Can anyone help me find the births of James and Thomas perhaps so that I can order the certificates and check the parent names tie in?

In accordance with the census entries Bridget was from Cork in Ireland. Does anyone know how I can go about researching her birth ?
I know Patrick is also from Ireland but believe he is from Limerick, but again have no experience in Irish research.
Can anyone point me in the right direction here?

A million thanks once again everyone.

Debra you've mentioned a James John Madden there,

this one has a John Patrick as father...might help to eliminate if nothing else.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about James John Madden Name: James John Madden
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Anne Maria Stock
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Feb 1861
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Patrick Madden ( plasterer)Spouse Father Name: Richard Stock
Register Type: Parish Register

Hello rose,
Yes I have this marriage certificate. In fact they got married twice - once in a Catholic Church and again in a Church of England ceremony.
The maddens we're Catholics.
On one certificate James's father is john Patrick - but on the other it is Patrick!! Most confusing.
On George Patrick's marriage certificate of 1867 one of the witnesses is James john madden so I presumed this to be a brother.