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Daphne
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19 Jan 2013 17:39 |
Looking for information on George Sanderson born in Shoreditch about 1860, fathers name John, mother name Mary. He married in 1903 age 42 to Eleanor Louisa Hill nee Southwell, but on the married certificate he was down as a widower. Who did he marry the first time? He is also missing on the 1881 censors, where did he go? I have now come to a dead end and do not know where to look next, does anybody have any suggestions please. Daphne
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Gee
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19 Jan 2013 17:47 |
Have you posted the correct name for his second wife?
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Sanderson Name: George Sanderson Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Age: 42 Spouse Name: Florence Hill Spouse Age: 37 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 4 Jul 1903 Parish: Shoreditch St Anne Borough: Hackney Father Name: John Sanderson Spouse Father Name: Stepher Southwell Register Type: Parish Register
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MrsBucketBouquet
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19 Jan 2013 17:47 |
Daphne
What was Georges occupation in 1903?
Geraldine
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MarieCeleste
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19 Jan 2013 17:48 |
Don't know if it's the wrong marriage, but this says Florence?
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: George Sanderson - printer Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Age: 42 Spouse Name: Florence Hill ****** Spouse Age: 37 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 4 Jul 1903 Parish: Shoreditch St Anne Borough: Hackney Father Name: John Sanderson (Deceased) Printer Spouse Father Name: Stepher Southwell - Coachbuilder Register Type: Parish Register
Both widowed and living 18 Essex street.
Witnesses: ????? Agnes Avis and Pauline Clarice Louisa Hopkins
****** - Name looks much more like Eleanor on the original.
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19 Jan 2013 17:55 |
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1901
Name: George Davidson [George Sanderson] Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elanor Davidson Gender: Male Where born: Shoreditch, London, England Civil parish: Shoreditch St Leonard Ecclesiastical parish: St Columba Haggerston County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Haggerston ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 283 Piece: 277 Folio: 87 Page Number: 40 Household Members: Name Age George Davidson 40 Elanor Davidson 34 Dorothy Davidson 10 Charles Davidson 19 Foreman Davidson 5 Riginall Davidson 2 Vesta Davidson 1 All Sanderson on image
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19 Jan 2013 17:57 |
Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HILL Eleanor Louise Shoreditch 1c 191 Sanderson George Shoreditch 1c 191 Stiff Mary Anne A Shoreditch 1c 191 STIFF Mary Anne E Shoreditch 1c 191 WYNNE Thomas Shoreditch 1c 191
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MarieCeleste
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19 Jan 2013 18:00 |
The George & Eleanor from 1901 are still together in 1911:
SANDERSON, George Head Married M 51 1860 Printers Assistant St Clements W SANDERSON, Eleanor Wife Married22 years F 44 1867 Milliner Ladies St Leonards Shoreditch SANDERSON, Dorothy Daughter Single F 21 1890 Milliner St Leonards Shoreditch SANDERSON, Charles Son Single M 18 1893 Fuslierbury St Leonards Shoreditch SANDERSON, Lurance Son Single M 15 1896 St Leonards Shoreditch SANDERSON, Reginalrd Son M 13 1898 Messenger St Leonards Shoreditch SANDERSON, Victor Son M 11 1900 Scholar St Leonards Shoreditch SANDERSON, George Son M 9 1902 Scholar St Leonards Shoreditch SANDERSON, Eleanor Daughter F 7 1904 Scholar St Leonards Shoreditch SANDERSON, Mable Daughter F 3 1908 Baby St Leoanrds Shoreditch
RG number: RG14 Piece: 1359 Reference: RG14PN1359 RG78PN47 RD16 SD2 ED14 SN187 Registration District: Shoreditch Sub District: Shoreditch North West Enumeration District: 14 Parish: Shoreditch
Address: 42 Ivy St N County: London
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Daphne
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19 Jan 2013 18:04 |
On the marriage certificate he was a Printer, and the date was the 4th July 1903 but it definately says Eleanor Louisa and her fathers name Stephen Southwell, Coach Builder. I also have Eleanors first marriage certificate to a Henry Christmas Hill dated the 31st July 1886
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MarieCeleste
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19 Jan 2013 18:06 |
Daphne - on the original image of the register it has omitted her middle name, it's so badly written it's been transcribed as Florence on Ancestry.
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Thelma
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19 Jan 2013 18:13 |
Same wife in 1891. Did they marry very late? The 1911 states Married 22 years. 1891 England Census about Geo Sanderson Name: Geo Sanderson Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Eleanor L Sanderson Gender: Male Where born: London, England Civil parish: Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 248 Folio: 120 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Geo Sanderson 31 Eleanor L Sanderson 24 Dorothy F Sanderson 1
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Thelma
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19 Jan 2013 18:26 |
Is this right? Eleanor married Henry Hill in 1886 but he died in 1888 She was living with George Sanderson In 1891 as wife but they did not marry until 1903. So who was his first wife? Edited
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rootgatherer
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19 Jan 2013 18:32 |
Thelma it was George Sanderson that she married in 1903. Southwell was her maiden surname.
She and George were together on the 1891, 1901 and 1911 census.
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MarieCeleste
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19 Jan 2013 18:43 |
Geraldine - where's those deaths you posted? Was going to try to track them .....
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Daphne
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19 Jan 2013 18:55 |
Hi Thelma, Yes, Eleanors first marriage to Henry Hill was in 1886 and he died in 1888, then I would assume that George was still married then so that is why on Dorothys birth certicate her surname is Hill and not Sanderson and does not have a fathers name on it. But later on she is down as Sanderson.
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19 Jan 2013 19:10 |
I'm wondering then if this is George in the 1861 census? The initial 'T' looks like a 'J' to me on the image for the Head of the family..... his occupation looks to be Printer Repman (?)
Name: George Sanderson Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Son Father's Name: T Sanderson Mother's Name: Mary Sanderson Gender: Male Where born: St Andrew, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Holborn St Andrew Town: London County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Holborn Sub-registration district: St Andrew Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 21 Piece: 186 Folio: 96 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age T Sanderson 44 Mary Sanderson 43 William Sanderson 21 John Sanderson 17 Mary A Sanderson 13 James Sanderson 10 Joseph Sanderson 8 >>>George Sanderson 2
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LondonBelle
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19 Jan 2013 19:15 |
Then same family in 1871
Name: George Sanderson Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Mary Sanderson Gender: Male Where born: London, England Civil parish: St Sepulchre Ecclesiastical parish: St Sepulchre County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: London City Sub-registration district: St Sepulchre ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 354 Piece: 421 Folio: 50 Page Number: 62 Household Members: Name Age Mary Sanderson 55 Widow James Sanderson 20 Joseph Sanderson 18 occ Printer George Sanderson 12
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19 Jan 2013 19:33 |
READDED
This is a long shot and could be a last resort...
All Sanderson female deaths om FreeBMD in Hackney between her possible marriage years and before 1903.
Eliminated all others as too old or too young... This leaves just one...
Deaths Sep 1890
Sanderson Mary Ann 34 Hackney 1b 296
Marriages Dec 1882 ?? CLENSHAW Mary Ann Bethnal Green 1c 711 Sanderson George Bethnal Green 1c 711 Middx. or?
Marriages Mar 1876 ??? HAWES Mary Ann Strand 1b 662 Sanderson George Strand 1b 662 Middx
Good luck
Geraldine
Ooops! trying again but in Shoreditch...
Deaths Sep 1887 Sanderson Elizabeth Grace 34 Shoreditch 1c 88 ...this isnt right as i have found a Marriage for her in 1876 to a Frederick Thomas Sanderson.
Sorry about the confussion but was clutching at straws.
Putting thinking cap back on...
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Chris Ho :)
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19 Jan 2013 19:33 |
Name: Henry Herbert Hill Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 11 Nov 1887 (born 17 Oct 1887) Father's Name: Henry Christmas Hill (Tailors Cutter) Mother's Name: Eleanor Louise Hill Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John Borough: Hackney Register Type: Parish Registers (address, 30, Bookham Street)
1891 SOUTHWELL, Annie Head Married F 54 1837 Milliner Pimlico, London SOUTHWELL, Kate Daughter Single F 34 1857 Milliner London, City Road HILL, Henry H Grandson M 3 1888 Hoxton, London Piece: 248 Folio: 40 Page: 22 Registration District: Shoreditch Civil Parish: Shoreditch Municipal Borough: Shoreditch Address: 3, Ashford Terrace, Shoreditch, London County: London
Chris :)
(adding Henry above!)
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Daphne
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20 Jan 2013 09:01 |
Thank you all for your input. I did get the marriage certificate of Mary Ann Clenshaw but the father of George Sanderson was a William Sanderson a Cabinet Maker.
If he had married in 1876 would he had been very young at 16???
But I would love to know where he was in 1881, is there any possibility that he could have been in prison or the like, and would they have a census done in there? I just do not know where to look next. Thank you again Daphne
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Chris Ho :)
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20 Jan 2013 09:18 |
(looking back at above Marriages posted)
Name: George Sanderson (Cabinet Maker) Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Age: 24 Spouse Name: Mary Ann Clenshaw Spouse Age: 23 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 12 Dec 1882 Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: William Sanderson (Cabinet Maker) Spouse Father Name: William Clenshaw Register Type: Parish Register
Groom's First names:George (Electro Type Founder) Groom's surname:Sanderson Groom's parish: Groom's Age:18 Marriage year:1876 Marriage month:Feb Marriage day:07 Parish:St Clement Danes County:Middlesex Bride's First names:Elizabeth Sophia Bride's surname:Rushton Bride's parish: Bride's Age:17 Record source:Westminster Marriages- Transcripts Data provider:Westminster Archives (Fathers, John Sanderson, occ. Pressman, George Rushton, occ. Coster Monger, witnesses, W K L Hutton, Mary Sanderson) (address for both as Gilbert Street, 11 for John, 12 Elizabeth)
(looking back at 1861 posted by Lb, think the word is Pressman, so above could be a possible)
1871 RUSHTON, Sarah Head F 50 1821 Surrey RUSHTON, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1859 Middlesex Piece: 366 Folio: 46 Page: 11 Registration District: Strand Civil Parish: St Clement Danes Municipal Borough: Address: Gilbert Street, St Clement Danes County: London, Middlesex
Chris :)
Marriages Mar 1876 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------- Griffin Charles Strand 1b 662 HAWES Mary Ann Strand 1b 662 Rushton Sophia Strand 1b 662 Sanderson George Strand 1b 662
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