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George Sanderson b;1860 ab; in Shoreditch

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Daphne

Daphne Report 19 Jan 2013 17:39

Looking for information on George Sanderson born in Shoreditch about 1860, fathers name John, mother name Mary. He married in 1903 age 42 to Eleanor Louisa Hill nee Southwell, but on the married certificate he was down as a widower. Who did he marry the first time? He is also missing on the 1881 censors, where did he go? I have now come to a dead end and do not know where to look next, does anybody have any suggestions please.
Daphne

Gins

Gins Report 19 Jan 2013 17:47

Have you posted the correct name for his second wife?


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about George Sanderson
Name: George Sanderson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Age: 42
Spouse Name: Florence Hill
Spouse Age: 37
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Jul 1903
Parish: Shoreditch St Anne
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: John Sanderson
Spouse Father Name: Stepher Southwell
Register Type: Parish Register

MrsBucketBouquet

MrsBucketBouquet Report 19 Jan 2013 17:47

Daphne

What was Georges occupation in 1903?

Geraldine

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Jan 2013 17:48

Don't know if it's the wrong marriage, but this says Florence?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: George Sanderson - printer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Age: 42
Spouse Name: Florence Hill ******
Spouse Age: 37
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Jul 1903
Parish: Shoreditch St Anne
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: John Sanderson (Deceased) Printer
Spouse Father Name: Stepher Southwell - Coachbuilder
Register Type: Parish Register

Both widowed and living 18 Essex street.

Witnesses: ????? Agnes Avis and Pauline Clarice Louisa Hopkins

****** - Name looks much more like Eleanor on the original.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Jan 2013 17:55

?????

1901

Name: George Davidson
[George Sanderson]
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elanor Davidson
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: St Columba Haggerston
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 283
Piece: 277
Folio: 87
Page Number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
George Davidson 40
Elanor Davidson 34
Dorothy Davidson 10
Charles Davidson 19
Foreman Davidson 5
Riginall Davidson 2
Vesta Davidson 1

All Sanderson on image

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Jan 2013 17:57

Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HILL Eleanor Louise Shoreditch 1c 191
Sanderson George Shoreditch 1c 191
Stiff Mary Anne A Shoreditch 1c 191
STIFF Mary Anne E Shoreditch 1c 191
WYNNE Thomas Shoreditch 1c 191

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Jan 2013 18:00

The George & Eleanor from 1901 are still together in 1911:

SANDERSON, George Head Married M 51 1860 Printers Assistant St Clements W
SANDERSON, Eleanor Wife Married22 years F 44 1867 Milliner Ladies St Leonards Shoreditch
SANDERSON, Dorothy Daughter Single F 21 1890 Milliner St Leonards Shoreditch
SANDERSON, Charles Son Single M 18 1893 Fuslierbury St Leonards Shoreditch
SANDERSON, Lurance Son Single M 15 1896 St Leonards Shoreditch
SANDERSON, Reginalrd Son M 13 1898 Messenger St Leonards Shoreditch
SANDERSON, Victor Son M 11 1900 Scholar St Leonards Shoreditch
SANDERSON, George Son M 9 1902 Scholar St Leonards Shoreditch
SANDERSON, Eleanor Daughter F 7 1904 Scholar St Leonards Shoreditch
SANDERSON, Mable Daughter F 3 1908 Baby St Leoanrds Shoreditch

RG number: RG14 Piece: 1359
Reference: RG14PN1359 RG78PN47 RD16 SD2 ED14 SN187
Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub District: Shoreditch North West Enumeration
District: 14
Parish: Shoreditch

Address: 42 Ivy St N County: London

Daphne

Daphne Report 19 Jan 2013 18:04

On the marriage certificate he was a Printer, and the date was the 4th July 1903 but it definately says Eleanor Louisa and her fathers name Stephen Southwell, Coach Builder. I also have Eleanors first marriage certificate to a Henry Christmas Hill dated the 31st July 1886

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Jan 2013 18:06

Daphne - on the original image of the register it has omitted her middle name, it's so badly written it's been transcribed as Florence on Ancestry.

Thelma

Thelma Report 19 Jan 2013 18:13

Same wife in 1891. Did they marry very late?
The 1911 states Married 22 years.
1891 England Census
about Geo Sanderson Name: Geo Sanderson
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eleanor L Sanderson
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 248
Folio: 120
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Geo Sanderson 31
Eleanor L Sanderson 24
Dorothy F Sanderson 1




Thelma

Thelma Report 19 Jan 2013 18:26

Is this right?
Eleanor married Henry Hill in 1886 but he died in 1888
She was living with George Sanderson In 1891 as wife but they did not marry until 1903. So who was his first wife?
Edited

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Jan 2013 18:32

Thelma it was George Sanderson that she married in 1903. Southwell was her maiden surname.

She and George were together on the 1891, 1901 and 1911 census.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Jan 2013 18:43

Geraldine - where's those deaths you posted? Was going to try to track them .....

Daphne

Daphne Report 19 Jan 2013 18:55

Hi Thelma,
Yes, Eleanors first marriage to Henry Hill was in 1886 and he died in 1888, then I would assume that George was still married then so that is why on Dorothys birth certicate her surname is Hill and not Sanderson and does not have a fathers name on it. But later on she is down as Sanderson.

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 19 Jan 2013 19:10

I'm wondering then if this is George in the 1861 census? The initial 'T' looks like a 'J' to me on the image for the Head of the family..... his occupation looks to be Printer
Repman (?)

Name: George Sanderson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: T Sanderson
Mother's Name: Mary Sanderson
Gender: Male
Where born: St Andrew, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Holborn St Andrew
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: St Andrew Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Piece: 186
Folio: 96
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
T Sanderson 44
Mary Sanderson 43
William Sanderson 21
John Sanderson 17
Mary A Sanderson 13
James Sanderson 10
Joseph Sanderson 8
>>>George Sanderson 2


Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 19 Jan 2013 19:15

Then same family in 1871

Name: George Sanderson
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary Sanderson
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: St Sepulchre
Ecclesiastical parish: St Sepulchre
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: St Sepulchre
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 354
Piece: 421
Folio: 50
Page Number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Sanderson 55 Widow
James Sanderson 20
Joseph Sanderson 18 occ Printer
George Sanderson 12

MrsBucketBouquet

MrsBucketBouquet Report 19 Jan 2013 19:33

READDED

This is a long shot and could be a last resort...

All Sanderson female deaths om FreeBMD in Hackney between her possible marriage years and before 1903.

Eliminated all others as too old or too young...
This leaves just one...

Deaths Sep 1890

Sanderson Mary Ann 34 Hackney 1b 296

Marriages Dec 1882 ??
CLENSHAW Mary Ann Bethnal Green 1c 711
Sanderson George Bethnal Green 1c 711
Middx.
or?

Marriages Mar 1876 ???
HAWES Mary Ann Strand 1b 662
Sanderson George Strand 1b 662
Middx




Good luck

Geraldine

Ooops! trying again but in Shoreditch...

Deaths Sep 1887
Sanderson Elizabeth Grace 34 Shoreditch 1c 88
...this isnt right as i have found a Marriage for her in 1876 to a Frederick Thomas Sanderson.

Sorry about the confussion but was clutching at straws.

Putting thinking cap back on...

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 19 Jan 2013 19:33

Name: Henry Herbert Hill
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 11 Nov 1887 (born 17 Oct 1887)
Father's Name: Henry Christmas Hill (Tailors Cutter)
Mother's Name: Eleanor Louise Hill
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers
(address, 30, Bookham Street)

1891
SOUTHWELL, Annie Head Married F 54 1837 Milliner
Pimlico, London
SOUTHWELL, Kate Daughter Single F 34 1857 Milliner
London, City Road
HILL, Henry H Grandson M 3 1888
Hoxton, London
Piece: 248
Folio: 40
Page: 22
Registration District: Shoreditch
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Municipal Borough: Shoreditch
Address: 3, Ashford Terrace, Shoreditch, London
County: London

Chris :)

(adding Henry above!)

Daphne

Daphne Report 20 Jan 2013 09:01

Thank you all for your input. I did get the marriage certificate of Mary Ann Clenshaw but the father of George Sanderson was a William Sanderson a Cabinet Maker.

If he had married in 1876 would he had been very young at 16???

But I would love to know where he was in 1881, is there any possibility that he could have been in prison or the like, and would they have a census done in there?
I just do not know where to look next.
Thank you again
Daphne

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 20 Jan 2013 09:18

(looking back at above Marriages posted)


Name: George Sanderson (Cabinet Maker)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Clenshaw
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Dec 1882
Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Sanderson (Cabinet Maker)
Spouse Father Name: William Clenshaw
Register Type: Parish Register


Groom's First names:George (Electro Type Founder)
Groom's surname:Sanderson
Groom's parish:
Groom's Age:18
Marriage year:1876
Marriage month:Feb
Marriage day:07
Parish:St Clement Danes
County:Middlesex
Bride's First names:Elizabeth Sophia
Bride's surname:Rushton
Bride's parish:
Bride's Age:17
Record source:Westminster Marriages- Transcripts
Data provider:Westminster Archives
(Fathers, John Sanderson, occ. Pressman, George Rushton, occ. Coster Monger, witnesses, W K L Hutton, Mary Sanderson) (address for both as Gilbert Street, 11 for John, 12 Elizabeth)


(looking back at 1861 posted by Lb, think the word is Pressman, so above could be a possible)


1871
RUSHTON, Sarah Head F 50 1821 Surrey
RUSHTON, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1859 Middlesex
Piece: 366
Folio: 46
Page: 11
Registration District: Strand
Civil Parish: St Clement Danes
Municipal Borough:
Address: Gilbert Street, St Clement Danes
County: London, Middlesex

Chris :)


Marriages Mar 1876 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------
Griffin Charles Strand 1b 662
HAWES Mary Ann Strand 1b 662
Rushton Sophia Strand 1b 662
Sanderson George Strand 1b 662