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Good morning Dea,

I am overjoyed! I did not have the name of Mary Ellen's father, nor do I know anything about her date of birth etc. You have opened another door for me and I THANK YOU.

I am new to Genes Reunited and am trying to get use to this format. What information I have I found several years ago before the internet became a place for family research.

I believe Ben LEIG'S father Robert, was b. in 1839
Birth reg. June quarter 1839 Robert LEIGH Chorlton vol. 20 page 22
I found a William LEIGH in the 1841 census, Back Bow Lane, Openshaw; aged 28, est year birth 1813, male; civil parish Manchester etc. Martha LEIGH age 27,,Benjamin age 6 Frances age 4 &**** Robert age 2.
That comprises what I have.

I hope to learn more about Robert LEIGH the schoolmaster and need to find the date of his death.

My heartfelt thanks to everyone who has come to my assistance

Marge

This is Ben before his marriage:

1891 census transcription details for: 751, Ashton Old Road, Openshaw, Manchester
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3180
Folio: 11
Page: 16
Reg. District: Chorlton
Sub District: Ardwick
Parish: Openshaw
Enum. District: 87
Ecclesiastical District: St Clements
City/Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: 751, Ashton Old Road, Openshaw, Manchester
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
LEIGH, Robert Head Married M 51 1840 Boiler Maker
Openshaw, Lancashire
LEIGH, Hannah Wife Married F 52 1839
Broomley, Cheshire
LEIGH, Ben Son Single M 24 1867 Mechanic
Openshaw, Lancashire

I will go and look for Mary.................

Dea Xxx

You can view the full marriage entry (cert) in Parish register for Ben and mary Ellen Roberts here|:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12531-8740-50?cc=1788853&wc=MMGS-H2L:n1098024485

Dea x

(From FamilySearch site)

you can also look at the Lancashire bmd site, another free site

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk



Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1921


LEIGH Robert GREENHALGH Lillian Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registar Attended Manchester CHO_RM/298/94

Oh Yes! It is indeed " My" Robert Leigh
The marriage certifciate reads;
Married 2-11-1913 Robert LEIGH, aged 19, bachelor, schoolmaster living at 31B, the Square, Fairfield, Manchester to Edith LEECH, aged 18, spinster, living at 7 West Street. Leek at the Leek parish church, county of Staffordshire. They were married by license [ not by banns] Both signed the register. Witnesses to the ceremony were Ben LEIGH [ father of the groom] and Florence LEECH [sister of the bride]Father of the groom- Ben LEIGH, mechanical engineer- Father of the bride- Thomas LEECH, cotton spinner.
[Signed] Edmund SPINK, Vicar.

This is the first time I have seen his name Humohrey Robert LEIGH

Thank you! ThankYou! Thank You , Jan


Marjorie

The other thing you might try is to get Robert's birth cert. If he died 1970-2006, his birth date will be shown on death indexes (assuming the informant knew it!). Relies on luck a little, but might be worth it.

This appears to be the Robert in the 1901 above, but name different?? Are we saying this is him or not?


1911 England Census
Name: Humphrey Robert Leigh
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Openshaw, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Droylsden
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 31B The Square Fairfield Nr Manchester
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Pupil Teacher
Registration district: Ashton under Lyne
Registration District Number: 468
Sub-registration district: Audenshaw

Ben Leigh 44 Occupation: Mechanic Loco
Mary Ellen Leigh 45
Humphrey Robert Leigh 17

Jan

Thank you everyone, Jan, Rambling Rose & Mike for such a rapid response.

I will certainly take all advice thankfully..

It looks like the Robert LEIGH in the April-June Chorley reg 1894 is the WRONG one. I never sent for the record. Unfortunately I "assumed! I do believe he is the Robert LEIGH Chorlton birth 1893

Robert was aged 19 when he married in 1913 per marriage record.

Ben LEIGH , Robert's father was indeed an engineer. He worked for Davis-Metcalfe, an engineering firm in Romiley Cheshire.

On the birth cert. for Constance Marjorie LEIGH, Edith Leech LEIGH'S address is given as 23 Lyme Grove, Romiley and that is the address for Ben LEIGH in the 1915 electoral register.
Robert's father's name appears on the marriage certificate for Robert and Edith LEECH m. 11 Feb. 1913 occupation- mechanical engineer.

I presumed Robert's 2nd marriage was to Lillian GREENHALGH because that marriage record states Chorlton. Yes, I should know better.

I did not realize I could find the names of the children for Robert LEIGH and Lillian on Freebmd..I will certainly check it out.

I hope to find Robert's date of death and if he had children after he remarried. My grandmother and mother have passed on and no one is left who knows anything about Robert LEIGH.

Thank you all so very much

Marge

The Staffordshire marriage may not be him, unless you know for sure Marjorie, as there are several Robert Leighs that it could be, born in Staff's.

"Robert LEIGH'S birth registered in the April-June quarter 1894 Chorley"


... maybe you have the wrong Robert Leigh there ?

As his parents married in Manchester it's most likely to be the Chorlton birth in 1893 not the Chorley birth in 1894.

If he is the one born in Chorley then his parents were not Ben Leigh and Mary Roberts.

1901 England Census
about Robert Leigh Name: Robert Leigh
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Ben Leigh
Mother's Name: Mary E Leigh
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Higher Openshaw St Clement
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 190
Piece: 3681
Folio: 84
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Ben Leigh 34 <<<<< engine ( railway) fitter
Mary E Leigh 36
Robert Leigh 7

?

Births Jun 1893 (>99%)


Leigh Robert Chorlton 8c 855

Marriages Mar 1892 (>99%)

Leigh Ben Chorlton 8c 1035
Roberts Mary Ellen Chorlton 8c 1035
Roberts Mary Elsie Chorlton 8c 1035

What evidence do you have that these are his parents ?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1892

LEIGH Ben- ROBERTS Mary E - Higher Openshaw, St. Clement Manchester

Chorley covers Adlington.

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1894
LEIGH Robert - Adlington Preston -LEIGH


Is this him with mother maiden name of Leigh ? ( not Roberts)

If you go to Freebmd you can look for births to this marriage yourself.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Jan

Welcome to the board Marjorie, might I suggest you put a few lines of space between the text, will just make it easier to read :-)

Marriages Dec 1921 (>99%)


Greenhalgh Lillian Leigh Chorlton 8c 1665
Leigh Robert Greenhalgh Chorlton 8c 1665

Have you tried Freebmd? Very easy to find:

Marriages Dec 1921 (>99%)
Greenhalgh Lillian Leigh Chorlton 8c 1665
Leigh Robert Greenhalgh Chorlton 8c 1665

Welcome to the boards Marjorie.
Can I suggest something if you don't mind? Your posting is quite full and a bit tricky to make out what all this info is. Is there a way you can simplify it at all? Or at least separate it into paragraphs? Or edit out anything which isn't necessary?
Thanks
Jan

Searching for the following information :
Date of 2nd marriage;date and place of death; Burial place & 2nd wife's name Lillian [? Greenhalgh?]
Names of children from 2nd marriage if any
Robert LEIGH'S birth registered in the April-June quarter 1894 Chorley, Lancashire son of Ben LEIGH and Mary E. LEIGH
1901 census in Gorton, Lancs. age 7, father Ben LEIGH Mother Mary E[?ROBERTS?]
occupation- Schoolmaster
Teachers Registration Council
Register entry concerning- Robert LEIGH
Date of registration- 1st February, 1936--- Register #92209
Address- Moston Lane Council Boy's School, Moston, Manchester
Attainments- Board of education certificate
Training in teaching- City of Leeds training college.
Experience
Assistant head master-
Varna Street Council School, Openshaw, Manchester, 1914-1919;
War service, 1915-1919 [ need to check this out]
Elysian St. Mun. School, Openshaw, Manchester, 1919-1923;
St. Thomas C.E. School, Openshaw, Manchester, 1924
Head master-
Cambrian Street Council School, Beswick, Manchester, 1924-1929;
Moston Lane Council School, Moston, Manchester, 1929
Trade directories, Robert LEIGH
1929. Rt. LEIGH. Schoolmaster. 30 Carlton Range. Gorton, Lancashire.
1931-1932- Rt. LEIGH. Schoolmaster. 29 Warbeck Road, New Moston, Failsworth, Lancashire.
War service, 1915-1919
Elysian St. Mun. School, Openshaw, Manchester, 1919-1923;
St. Thomas C.E. School, Openshaw, Manchester, 1924
Head master-
Cambrian Street Council School, Beswick, Manchester, 1924-1929;
Moston Lane Council School, Moston, Manchester, 1929
Trade directories, Robert LEIGH
1929. Rt. LEIGH. Schoolmaster. 30 Carlton Range. Gorton, Lancashire.
1931-1932- Rt. LEIGH. Schoolmaster. 29 Warbeck Road, New Moston, Failsworth, Lancashire.
War service, 1915-1919 [ need to check this out]
Elysian St. Mun. School, Openshaw, Manchester, 1919-1923;
St. Thomas C.E. School, Openshaw, Manchester, 1924
Head master-
Cambrian Street Council School, Beswick, Manchester, 1924-1929;
Moston Lane Council School, Moston, Manchester, 1929
Trade directories, Robert LEIGH
1929. Rt. LEIGH. Schoolmaster. 30 Carlton Range. Gorton, Lancashire.
1931-1932- Rt. LEIGH. Schoolmaster. 29 Warbeck Road, New Moston, Failsworth, Lancashire.
War service, 1915-1919 [ need to check this out]
Elysian St. Mun. School, Openshaw, Manchester, 1919-1923;
St. Thomas C.E. School, Openshaw, Manchester, 1924
Head master-
Cambrian Street Council School, Beswick, Manchester, 1924-1929;
Moston Lane Council School, Moston, Manchester, 1929
Trade directories, Robert LEIGH
1929. Rt. LEIGH. Schoolmaster. 30 Carlton Range. Gorton, Lancashire.
1931-1932- Rt. LEIGH. Schoolmaster. 29 Warbeck Road, New Moston, Failsworth, Lancashire.
War service, 1915-1919 [ need to check this out]
Elysian St. Mun. School, Openshaw, Manchester, 1919-1923;
St. Thomas C.E. School, Openshaw, Manchester, 1924
Head master-
Cambrian Street Council School, Beswick, Manchester, 1924-1929;
Moston Lane Council School, Moston, Manchester, 1929
Trade directories, Robert LEIGH
1929. Rt. LEIGH. Schoolmaster. 30 Carlton Range. Gorton, Lancashire.
1931-1932- Rt. LEIGH. Schoolmaster. 29 Warbeck Road, New Moston, Failsworth, Lancashire.
Married[1]11 feb.1913 Edith LEECH in Leek Staffordshire
Child-Constance Marjorie LEIGH b 11 May 1913 Leek Staffordshire
Appears as schoolmaster 1942 trade directory at 7 Claxton Ave., in 1942, 1948 & 1951.
Source- Electoral register 1931-1939; Warbeck Road. Robert LEIGH and Lillian LEIGH, New Moston, Failsworth
Robert LEIGH is my grandfather who I have never met.

Thank you for any assistance anyone can give