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help please with john evans

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Jacquline

Jacquline Report 19 Jan 2013 22:29

a common name and not much to go on but hope someone can help,john was a pro footballer he was born in 1900 on his profile on google it says he was born in barking but family seem to think he was born in west bromwich, there are a few born in west brom but can not find one in barking, he had brothers ivan isaac albert and sister suranne which could have been sarah ann he married elsie ward in 1923 in west brom but family think he was married before and had a daughter. i,m afraid thats as far as i,ve got thank you in advance for any help at all
regards Jackie

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 19 Jan 2013 22:37

Could this be the family in the 1911 census with the John you are looking for being called Jack - to avoid confusion because his father is also called John:-

1911 census transcription details for: 2 Wood Lane West Bromwich

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN17299 RG78PN1061 RD371 SD3 ED17 SN79
Reg. District: West Bromwich
Sub District: West Bromwich South West
Parish: West Bromwich
Enum. District: 17

Address: 2 Wood Lane West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

EVANS, John Head M 43 1868 Iron Puddler Puddling Furnace Carnforth Lancashire
EVANS, Fanny Wife Married
22 years F 42 1869 West Bromwich Staffs
EVANS, Polly Daughter Single F 18 1893 Tin Plate Worker West Bromwich Staffs
EVANS, Sarah Ann Daughter Single F 16 1895 Tin Plate Worker West Bromwich Staffs<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
EVANS, Frnacis Ann Daughter F 14 1897 School West Bromwich Staffs
***EVANS, Jack Son M 12 1899 School West Bromwich Staffs<<<<<<<<<<<<<
EVANS, Alice Daughter F 10 1901 School West Bromwich Staffs
EVANS, Evan Son M 9 1902 West Bromwich Staffs
EVANS, Lizzie Daughter F 6 1905 West Bromwich Staffs
EVANS, Isaac Son M 5 1906 West Bromwich Staffs<<<<<<<<<
EVANS, William Son M 1 1910 West Bromwich Staffs
STANTON, William Boarder Single M 24 1887 Hollow Ware Caster West Bromwich Staffs

Kath. x

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 19 Jan 2013 22:45

thanks kath i saw that and wondered if that could be them, as evan could be ivan also x

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 19 Jan 2013 22:48

??

Marriages Jun 1882 (>99%)
Evans John West Bromwich 6b 1151
Hill Fanny W. Bromwich 6b 1151

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 19 Jan 2013 22:50

His marriage certificate to Elsie should say whether he was single or a widower:-

Name: WARD, Elsie
Registration district: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1923
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Evans
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 1595

Name: EVANS, John
Registration district: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1923
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Ward
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 1595

Kath. x

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 19 Jan 2013 22:52

that would be them providing 1911 entry is correct :-)

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 19 Jan 2013 22:54

thanks kath will have to get cert will it say if he was divorced?

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 19 Jan 2013 22:57

It should say if he was divorced - HOWEVER, very few people could afford divorce at that time and it was incredibly difficult to get, so most ordinary working class couples would mostly just separate and perhaps go on to live with another partner as man and wife.

In this case though, he married Elsie so he was either a widower or divorced or married bigamously - IF the family are correct in thinking that he was married before.

Kath. x

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 19 Jan 2013 23:04

he would have had to have been married young and he was playing football in west brom untill 1921 then walsall then shewsbury have looked at marriages from 1917 in west brom there about 3 but its knowing the correct 1 think i'll have to shelve this untill i get cert thanks for your help
jackie x :-)

Mistycat

Mistycat Report 19 Jan 2013 23:50

In case 1911 is the correct family...might give you the odd clue, would appear there are two son's and families living with mother...

All named Evans.....All children are Grandchildren....All (except where stated) born West Brom

1901 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Enns....Widow
[Mary Ann Evans]
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address.......2 Wood Lane

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich South West


Mary Ann Enns 54 ......Shop Keeper
Isaac Enns 36...son....Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
John Enns 33....son....Fanny's hubby....Carnforth, Lancashire
Evan Enns 21...son
William Enns 30...son
Patience Enns 34...Daughter in Law
Frances Ann Enns 32 .......Fanny....Daughter in Law
M A Enns 13
Isaac Enns 15
John Enns 9
Jane Enns 8
Evan Enns 3
Mary Ann Enns 8
Sarah Ann Enns 6
Frances Ann Enns 4
John Enns 2.................................
Alice Enns 6 Months


Misty x



Jacquline

Jacquline Report 20 Jan 2013 00:19

thanks for that misty seems its the same family
jackie

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 20 Jan 2013 23:09

Hi everyone back again have now found that John was a widower so is there anyway i can find out who his first wife was he married elsie ward in 1923 so he would have had to have been young to have been married before he had a daughter with his first wife but no one knows her name or what happened to her thanks in advance
Jackie

Mistycat

Mistycat Report 20 Jan 2013 23:57

Possible....


Marriages Mar 1920....

Evans John W.Bromwich 6b 1385 Spouse....Marion Guest

Birth Sept 1920....

Marian I Evans mmn Guest W Bromwich 6b 1713

Death Dec 1921....

Marion Evans 24yrs W Bromwich 6b 888


Misty x

Edit...Maybe Marion died from child birth

Birth Dec 1921

Thomas H Evans mmn Guest W Bromwich 6b 1633

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 21 Jan 2013 00:34

thanks misty that certainly sounds like a possible
jackie

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 22 Jan 2013 07:50

as this sounds quite likely to be them is there any way to find out what happened to their daughter marian as john didn't keep her as none of his children knew her only that they had a half sister,she could have gone to marios family but cn not find marion on cencus any help much appiecated
Jackie

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 22 Jan 2013 15:25

nudge

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 22 Jan 2013 15:25

nudge

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 23 Jan 2013 23:46

nudge

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 24 Jan 2013 00:00

There is a marriage that could possibly be that of Marian if the birth that MistyCat posted is the correct one. I will send the details by p.m.

Kath. x

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 24 Jan 2013 00:18

thank you kath i'll look up to see if there is a death for her
jackie