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That looks promising as well. It is looking like more certificates need ordering.

He does not name his father as deceased on the marriage certificate. I have others where people have named the father and mentioned that he was deceased at the time but not sure if this was always the case.

The 1871 for the same family is odd, Emma snr is still a Lake but her sister Maria is listed as Pitt??

LAKE, John Head M 67 1804 Essex
LAKE, Racheal Wife F 57 1814 Essex
LAKE, Emma Daughter F 24 1847 Essex
PITT, Maria Daughter F 28 1843 Essex
PITT, Alfred Grandson M 3 1868 Essex
PITT, Emma Granddaughter F 1 1870 Essex

Piece: 1688 Folio: 79 Page: 13
Registration District: Colchester
Civil Parish: Greenstead
Municipal Borough: Colchester

Address: Greenstead Road, Greenstead, Colchester County: Essex

Could they have both married a Pitt?

Can't see a Maria Lake/Pitt marriage

Here's Emma Julia's birth:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Emma Julia Pitt
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1869
Registration district: Lexden
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 289

(Lexden covers Wivenhoe)

Quite possibly your lad:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Alfred James Pitt
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1867
Registration district: Lexden
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 275

This is looking good Marie.

If this is Alfred his father could either be dead or at sea (father was a seaman after all).

I will have to order his birth certificate to see if it matches up.

I think they've muddled the surnames on the 1871, this must be Emma's marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1867
Lake Emma Lexden 4a 322
Pitt Alfred Lexden 4a 322

But this means the father isn't called Thomas!

This is Maria Lake's marriage, per the 1881:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1872
BUCK Edward James Colchester 4a 417
BURK Edward James Colchester 4a 417
LAKE Maria Arabella Colchester 4a 417

MarieCeleste they are good finds - I found the Emma Julia Birth but not the Alfred James one

Marriages Mar 1867 (>99%)
Lake Emma Lexden 4a 322
Pitt Alfred Lexden 4a 322

Maybe the enumerator got Emma/Maria mixed up when the record was completed?

EDIT: Posting slower than MC

Vessel: "HMS Implacable" - Royal Navy Training Ship 1881 census

Alfred James PITT U 17 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Boy 1 Cls

Maybe this could be him? Or would he be too old?

found it on http://www.glamorganfamilyhistory.co.uk/maritime/HMSImplacable.html

EDIT: It can't be him if the one you have found is correct as he is still at home in 1881

Wonder if this 'Thomas' has a connection? Similar age to Emma and Maria - and same area

Births Jun 1845 (>99%)
PITT Thomas Lexden &c 12 151

I wonder if this is that chap from the 1881? The image actually says he's a naval pensioner:

PITT, Alfred James Head Married M 47 1864 H M Customs Uraval Middlesex St Pancras London
PITT, Edith Ellen Wife Married18 years F 42 1869 Southampton St Pancras
PITT, Alfred Thomas Son M 13 1898 School Southampton St Lukes
GOATER, George Gray Boarder Widower M 92 1819 Private Means Southampton St Marys

RG number: RG14 Piece: 5950
Reference: RG14PN5950 RG78PN273A RD99 SD1 ED16 SN18
Registration District: Southampton S
ub District: Southampton Eastern
Enumeration District: 16
Parish: Portswood

Address: 15 Peterboro Road Southampton County: Hampshire

JannieAnnie - Maria and Emma were called Lake?

EDIT: sorry, see where you're going. See 1911 below.

Looks like it might be.

Back to your finds, which are really interesting.

If Emma Lake married an Alfred Pitt could he have used the name Thomas? Or could she have gone on to marry a Thomas Pitt?

I am so confused lol

Possible?

Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)

Pill John W.Ham 4a 113
Pitt Emma W.Ham 4a 113
Pitt Thomas W.Ham 4a 113
Ryan Elizabeth Amelia West Ham 4a 113

I have run out of credits on FMP but have this in the 1891 census

Type Name Birth Year Age Sex Registration District/Parish County
Household PITT, Thomas 1846 45 M West Ham Essex

Could anyone please look and see where the Thomas and Emma were born?

Thanks :-D

Is ok, I got it :-)

Name: Thomas Pett
[Thomas Pitt]
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Pett
Gender: Male
Where born: Wivenhoe, Essex, England
Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1320
Folio: 38
Page Number: 70
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Pett 45
Emma Pett 48

EDIT - forgot to say, Thomas occupation is listed as a Mariner


So is it possible that Emma Lake married Alfred James Pitt and had son Alfred jnr. When her husband died she married his (brother/cousin?) Thomas Pitt who Alfred Jnr names as his father when he marries Martha Elizabeth?

Here's that Thomas and Emma in 1911, look who the sister- in- law is!

Name Relation Condition /
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
PITT, Thomas Head Married M 65 1846 Night Watchman Wivenhoe Essex
PITT, Emmer Wife Married27 years F 68 1843 Hardles Essex
BELAVY, Jane Sister Widow F 73 1838 Old Age Pension Thorp Essex
BUCK, Marra Sister Widow F 65 1846 Poor Reset Thorp Essex

RG number: RG14 Piece: 9496
Reference: RG14PN9496 RG78PN508 RD188 S4 ED26 SN386
Registration District: West Ham
Sub District: Canning Town
Enumeration District: 26
Parish: West Ham

Address: 57 Lansdowne Road Tidal Basin E County: Essex

The original says that Emma has had no children born alive. I don't trust anything this family says on census! Likely she means either none at home or any she had were dead.

1901:

PITT, Thomas Head Married M 56 1845 Able Seaman Wyvenhoe, Essex
PITT, Emma Wife Married F 60 1841 Hadleigh, Essex

Piece: 1582 Folio: 158 Page: 36
Registration District: West Ham
Civil Parish: West Ham

Address: 39, Lansdowne Road, West Ham County: Essex

Found him on ships in 1861 & 1871. I think this may be him in 1851 and he has a brother Alfred

PITT Benjamin Head Married M 44 1807 Bricklayer Wivenhoe, Essex VIEW
PITT, Sophia Wife Married F 40 1811 Wivenhoe, Essex
PITT, Caroline Daughter F 11 1840 Scholar Wivenhoe, Essex
PITT, Alfred Son M 7 1844 Scholar Wivenhoe, Essex
PITT, Thomas Son M 5 1846 Scholar Wivenhoe, Essex
PITT, Benjamin Son M 2 1849 Wivenhoe, Essex
PITT, Robert Son M 0 (10 MOS) 1851 Wivenhoe, Essex

Piece: 1782 Folio: 34 Page: 30
Registration District: Lexden Civil
Parish: St Marys Wivenhoe

Address: West Street, St Marys Wivenhoe County: Essex

There is an Emma Pitt on the same page for this marriage:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915

Name: Thomas Pitt
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1884
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 113