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Hi, I am trying to find a birth entry for my great gran, but i cant find one!!

My great grans name was winifred kathleen wynn.

I have her marriage cert.... she maried Albert alfred charman on may 3rd 1926 in lambeth, london. It states that winifred was 31 at the time so her birth must be 1895! Her father is mentioned on the cert although he was dead at the time, his name was given as william wynn and says he was an actor.

Winifred gave birth to my gran vivienne rita before the wedding but waited until after she wed to register her birth. Vivienne rita charman was born on 27 april 1926 and registered in june 1926.

Then i have winifreds death cert... she was found dead on 24th october 1961 at 10 guilford road south lambeth aged 66 years old.


So....i have these bits of info but still cant find her birth, i am desperate to figure it out and find out who her prents were and other relatives.

I can only think that winifred kathleen wynn wasnt her name, or she was born in another country..does anyone have any tips for me?

I have looked at 1901 census and i found a few winifred wynns but none with a father called william!

Thanks in advance Emma x

Hi Emma, welcome to the boards.

I don't suppose there's any family info as to what her mum may have been called? Just wonder if Winifred was born before marriage and registered in her mother's maiden name.

I take it she was a spinster at marriage and hadn't been previously wed?

Who were the witnesses on the marriage certificate?

?? A possible first marriage for Winifred

Civil Registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder: Sydney P Wynn married Winifred K Barrett
Name: WYNN, Sydney P
Registration district: Islington
County: London
Year of registration: 1915
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Barrett
Volume no: 1B
Page no: 1123

May narrow the search

Winifred Kathleen Wynn
Birth 3-February-1895

Death 4-October-1961 in 10 Guilford Road South Lambeth London

??? Civil Registration event: Birth

Name: BARRETT, Winifred Kathleen
Registration district: North Witchford
County: Cambridgeshire
Year of registration: 1895
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 3B
Page no: 565

BIRTH June Q 1895
Barrett Winifred Kathleen - N. Witchford 3b 565

but ....
looks like that Winifred never married ....



Name: Winifred Kathleen Barrett
Birth Date: 18 Apr 1895
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1976
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Cambridge
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire

Marie celeste .... no clue about her mums name, my gran never knew any other family. Says she was a spinster on the wedding cert but i guess she could have lied! The witness was a j w Butler...this name doesnt mean anything to me :(

Stuart...hadnt occured to me she was married before...although that does make sense as i think 32 is a bit old for a first marriage and baby in those days!

Mike did you just find that on record or are you shortening my message for ease?! :)

Im new at all this...and im rubbish at it!

Stuart...thankyou so much for looking that up for me :) This is the route i am going to take....as i cant find a birth entry this is a really good explanation as to why!! :)

Emma.

The birthdate was on someone's tree on Ancestry

London, England, Non-conformist Registers, 1694-1921
about Sydney Prince Wynn Name: Sydney Prince Wynn
Birth Year: abt 1888
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Sep 1915
Age: 27
Church: Junction Road Congregational Church
Burough: Islington
County: London
Father: Frederick Wynn
Spouse: Winifred May Barrett
Spouse Age: 25
Spouse Father: William O'Connor Barrett

That Sydney and Winifred still together in 1939:

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Sydney Prince Wynn
Year: 1939
County or Borough: Hendon
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hendon North
Street Address: 31 Selvage Lane
Reference Number: MR/PER/C/0684

Emma - I certainly wouldn't assume that the 1915 marriage was her.

That lady was still married to Sydney when he died in 1962. She was granted probate:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Sydney Prince Wynn
Probate Date: 25 Apr 1962
Death Date: 3 Apr 1962
Death Place: Essex, England
Registry: Ipswich

FreeBMD version of marriage

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)
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Barrett Winifred M Wynn Islington 1b 1123
Wynn Sydney P Barratt Islington 1b 1123


These pair are on the eletoral roles until at lewast 1932

Winifred middle name is May

Andy

Vivienne's birth registration gives mother's maiden name Wynn.

Mike was that the tree of colin charman? I know he has the info on his tree he has helped me with my charman side and thats how he has the info :) Thankyou

Ah winifred barrett cant be her then :( But im still now thinking she married before!! Best polish up my miss marple skills........

Thankyou guys you are all so lovely :)

The tree is by Stephen Bartley

but if you are sure of your grans DOB then he may not have all the info correct because the same tree has Vivienne's birth in March
...

Vivenne Rita Charman
Birth 27-March-1926 in Lambeth London
Death April-2004 in Andover Hampshire, England

Is there an address quoted for Winifred on the marriage cert?

Andy

Mike.....oh.....im an idiot it was march! My error! Thats v interesting...is there any way of you contacting stephen bartley? I would be v interested in talking to him! :)