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Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 23 Jan 2013 03:12

Hi all-

I'm not sure if anyone can help me out with Canadian records or advice on how to go about looking for them;

Story so far and info I have:

I am searching for information on a Penelope Greenhalgh, birth details:
England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Penelope Greenhalgh
Name: Penelope Greenhalgh
Mother's Maiden Surname: Jones
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1943
Registration district: St Asaph
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11b

Her actual dob: 09-01-1943

I have the certificate and know details are correct for the above, now it does say far left of the certificate "adopted" so I thought gro messed up and sent it out in error.

I have found a passenger record :

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Emily G Greenhalgh
Name: Emily G Greenhalgh
Gender: Female
Age: 36
Birth Date: abt 1913
Departure Date: 27 May 1949
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Ship Name: Aquitania
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Aquitania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard White Star Limited
Official Number: 135538
Master: R B G Woollatt

landing at Halifax Nova Scotia
home address: Crumpsall, Manchester 8
occupation: Housekeeper
country of last permanent residence: Canada
Intended permanent residence: Canada
Travelling with daughter Penelope

Which also matches up with information I have. I have spoken to a distant relative of penelopes birth mother who told me Penelope is know as "penny" and was adopted by
Dorothy and red Conroy (Dorothy is Emily's younger sister) and she believes penelope grew up in Canada as a Gresley-jones Conroy but is not sure if this was official.

Now Dorothy passed away last fall in Richmond bc and she thinks penny could be in Vancouver area but she doesn't know if she married or is alive etc

I have information on Penelope's English parents Stanley and Emily whilst they were in England, I know that Stanley remained in the country and had another family but I'm unsure of what happened to Emily, I could find no further marriage deaths etc here in uk, and the relative I spoke to was unsure if Emily even returned she does not recall an aunt Emily growing up so I don't know what happened to her. But it's Penelope that in interested in as she would be my aunt in law if she was still alive but I don't know where to begin to start looking on this one, so if anyone can help or offer any advice on where to start it would be greatly welcomed thank you :-)

Gins

Gins Report 23 Jan 2013 08:51

Might this be her mom?


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Name: Emily M Greenhalgh
Birth Date: abt 1915
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1969
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Farnworth
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10c
Page: 212

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 23 Jan 2013 09:56

It's a possibility, there is no known ties to lancs and there is no middle name of m but one thing I've learnt is you are only as good at information as the person telling so I will ear mark it, thank you :-)

Gins

Gins Report 23 Jan 2013 10:11

Sorry, I hadnt noticed the middle initial. Is this her birth?


Births Dec 1912
--------------------------------------------------------
Jones Emily G Cornwall St.Asaph 11b 528


Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 23 Jan 2013 12:36

Yes this is her birth x

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 29 Jan 2013 10:33

Bump x

Gins

Gins Report 29 Jan 2013 11:08

Hello Ann-Marie

I think you are going to struggle with this one for two reasons:

1) If she was adopted and you dont know for sure who the adoptive couple were

2) Canada have strict privacy laws and most records have a 100 year rule

Can you post the details for Dorothy please

Gins

Gins Report 29 Jan 2013 11:19

Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980
Name: James Morton & Dorothy Conroy
Location: Kootenay West, British Columbia
Occupation: Painter
Electoral District: Kootenay West
Year: 1953


Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980
Name: James M & Dorothy G Conroy
Location: Kootenay West, British Columbia
Occupation: Tester, C.M
Electoral District: Kootenay West
Year: 1965


They appear on the voters listings until the 1970s but there is no Pen* with them. James full name, according to a tree on Ancstry is 'James Morton Conroy'

Just thought it might give you something to work on

Margee

Margee Report 29 Jan 2013 12:28

Dorothy's obit lists son Richard and daughters Genie/Gerie? (Chris), Vikkie and Geri (Peter)

http://issuu.com/richmondreview/docs/04-20-12/search

Incidentally it says Dorothy passed away in April 2012.

Gins

Gins Report 29 Jan 2013 13:11

Margee

I cant see anything using that link?

The tree I mentioned has James' death for about 1994, is there any obit for him?

Cheers :-)

Gins

Gins Report 29 Jan 2013 13:19

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Penelope Greenhaugh
Birth Date: 9 Jan 1943
Age: 12
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 26 Sep 1955
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: Queen Mary
Search Ship Database: View the 'Queen Mary' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 7602/01

Address in the UK: 44 Russell House, Cambridge Street, London

Last permanant residence; Canada
Intended permanant residence; England


Does the DOB match with your Pen* It looks like she was sent back to the UK and maybe adopted over here

Margee

Margee Report 29 Jan 2013 13:42

Gins, click on the link. Enter the name Conroy in the "Search this publication" box. Click on the newspaper. Her obit is on the left hand side with her photo. Click on it to enlarge.

Gins

Gins Report 29 Jan 2013 14:00

Thanks Margee, got it.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 29 Jan 2013 14:19

maybe just for the purpose of elimination of if someone else finds something:

Emily's younger sister:

Births Dec 1915
Jones Frances M G Cornwall St Asaph 11b 474


Marriages Sep 1941
Hudson Harry L Jones St. Asaph 11b 605
Jones Frances M G Hudson St.Asaph 11b 605


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 about Frances M Hudson
Name: Frances M Hudson & Harry L Hudson
Year: 1948
County or Borough: City of London
Ward or Division/Constituency: London and Westminster
Street Address: 54 Gloucester Street

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 29 Jan 2013 15:24

In 1957 Emily Greenhalgh was living with her younger sister and her husband Harry L Hudson at 32 Cypress Avenue, Whitton Twickenham Middlesex England


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 about Emily Greenhalgh
Name: Emily Greenhalgh
Year: 1957
County or Borough: Twickenham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Twickenham West
Street Address: 32 Twickenham
Reference Number: MR/PER/C/0985

is the same in 1958


Believe that this is her death and burial



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Emily Greenhalgh
Name: Emily Greenhalgh
Birth Date: abt 1913
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1958
Age at Death: 45
Registration district: Ealing
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5e
Page: 189



London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980 about Emily Greenhalgh
Name: Emily Greenhalgh
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1958
Burial Date: 3 Mar 1958
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1913
Parish or Poor Law Union: : Whitton St Philip and St James
Borough: Richmond upon Thames
Register Type: Parish Register
buried Twickenham Cemetary

cemetary details

Deceased details
Deceased name Emily Greenhalgh
Date of Burial 03/03/1958
Gender Female
Age 45 Years
Date of death Unknown
Location Twickenham Cemetery
Section K
Grave 21 class B


Perhaps Penelope was adopted after her mother died?

Gins

Gins Report 29 Jan 2013 16:26

Just noticed this after Moody' post


UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Frances Hudson & Harry
Birth Date: 5 Sep 1915
Age: 40
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 26 Sep 1955
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: Queen Mary
Search Ship Database: View the 'Queen Mary' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 7602/01

On the same ship as Pen* Maybe they went out to bring her home

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 29 Jan 2013 16:59


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Frances Mary Gresley Hudson
Name: Frances Mary Gresley Hudson
Gender: Female
Age: 35
Birth Date: abt 1916
Departure Date: 21 Jul 1951
Port of Departure: Plymouth, England
Destination Port: Halifax, Canada
Ship Name: Europa
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Europa' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Incres Line
Master: F Perilli


Travelling with Harry leonard Hudson.........clerk aged 31
address 54 Gloucester St London SW1

Gins

Gins Report 29 Jan 2013 17:10

I wonder if it was the Hudson' that adopted Pen* and they went back to Canada?

I cant find a death for Harry or Frances in the UK?

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 29 Jan 2013 18:11

1959 they were back in London Westminster


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 about Harry L Hudson
Name: Harry L Hudson
Year: 1959
County or Borough: City of London
Ward or Division/Constituency: London and Westminster
Street Address: 37 Denbigh Street

havent found them after.................so maybe they did go to Canada?

Gins

Gins Report 29 Jan 2013 19:09

Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980

Name: Harry L Hudson <No Frances
Location: Burnaby; Richmond, British Columbia
Occupation: Clerk
Electoral District: Burnaby-Richmond
Year: 1965

Harry was listed as a 'Clerk' on the shipping record


But she is here

Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980
Name: Harry & Frances Hudson
Location: Burnaby; Richmond, British Columbia
Occupation: Clerk
Electoral District: Burnaby-Richmond
Year: 1962