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The Julia who married William?? No sign of an Arthur:


1881 Wales Census about Julie Davies
Name: Julie Davies
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Davies
Gender: Female
Where born: Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Swansea Town
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: 78 Mansel St
Education: View image
Employment status: View image

Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5358
Folio: 98
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
William Davies 26
Julie Davies 26
Hilda Davies 2
Mary A. Able 18
Elizabeth Thomas 51

Looks like Arthur and Julia 1881 - I agree, you may be looking at two different men:

1881 Wales Census
Name: Auther Davies
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Julia Davies
Gender: Male
Where born: Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Swansea Town
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: 14 Burrows Road

Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 30

Julia Davies 30 widow
Mary Julia Davies 10
Sharlet Davies 8
Alice Davies 6
Auther Davies 4

Is this Arthur and his wife in 1911 please?

Name: Arthur Ernest Davies
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 153 Western St Swansea
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 15
Estimated Marriage Year: 1896
Occupation: Green Grocer
Registration district: Swansea
Registration District Number: 594
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 138
Piece: 32773
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Ernest Davies 35
Sarah Catherine Davies 34
Stanley Joseph Davies 13
Margaret Julia Davies 12
Thomas Davies 11
Authur Ernest Davies 7
Cecleily Davies 3
Cecleily Davies 3/12

How do you know that Julia Matilda is his mother please? If she was unmarried at the time of Arthur's birth then surely the birth would have been registered in her maiden surname? Also her maiden name would be on Arthur's birth certificate.

Are you sure that you are following the correct Arthur?

Name: Julia MA?ida Smith
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1854
Registration district: Swansea
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 503

I suppose this might be her, but you need the marriage cert to be sure.

1871 Wales Census
Name: Julia Smith
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Paul Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales
Civil parish: Swansea
Town: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea

Paul Smith 50
Magdalina Smith 22
Julia Smith 16
Martin Smith 14
Theresa Smith 12
Alexander Smith 8
Herman Smith 7
Mary Jones 21
Stefana Beard 34

Jan

Welcome to the boards Jean.

This was easy to find on Freebmd - have a go!

Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
Davies William Morgan Swansea 11a 755
Hopkins Lavinia Swansea 11a 755
Howell David Essex Swansea 11a 755
Smith Julia Matilda Swansea 11a 755

Jan

I have many Davies's in my family, one in particular I am struggling with, a Julia Matillda maiden name unknown, born C 1856 in Swansea, already married to William M Davies (b 1855, Swansea) when she gave birth to an Arthur Ernest Davies in 1877, whose father was listed on Arthur's marriage certificate (1895) as being a deceased Richard Davies, journeyman cabinet maker. On Arthurs birth certificate there is no father listed. Julia seems to have married into a prosperous and educated family, but I have no idea who her parents were, or who Richard was!

Ihave spent a lot of time on census searches,but without a maiden name it is difficult of course re Julia, and I can only guess as to when/where Richard was born.

Any ideas? Interestingly Arthur's wife, Sarah Catherine Davies b 1878 Abertillary(yes that is her maiden name) has a grandfather Thomas Davies (b1814) who was a cabinet maker in Cheltenham, and her father, another Thomas Davies (b1846) appears to have initially been one too, before leaving Cheltenham for the tin trade in South Wales. I so love history, but always more questions than answers.

Jean