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Jane Marshall 1836 Dumbarton / Dunbartonshire

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Thomas

Thomas Report 26 Jan 2013 19:53

Please may someone help.

Jane Marshall (1836) Dunbartonshire daughter of Robert Marshall (?) and Mary Aitken (?) I can't find them on Scottish census for 1841 or 1851.

Jane Marshall later marries James McGurron (an) Irishman and appears in various censi including 1881/91 census in Leeds as Jane McGurron. She had about 11 children with James, names including Bertha (1866), William (1868), Jane (1870), Robert (1872). She died in 1905 in Bramley Leeds.

I am trying to trace her Scottish ancestry.
Many Thanks
Tom

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Jan 2013 19:58

Thomas, where did you get her parents names from if you haven't found her on census?

Do you have marriage certificate to confirm her father's name? If not, when/where did they marry?

Have you looked for records on Scotland's People?

Thomas

Thomas Report 26 Jan 2013 20:08

The names of her parents have come from many trees on ancestry and genesreunited.co.uk. James McGurron married Jane Marshall in 1858, I do not have the certificate sorry.

patchem

patchem Report 26 Jan 2013 20:17

Could you post the 1881 or 1891 census , please?

Added:
And the 1858 free bmd marriage, or was it in Scotland?
Thanks

Added:
For ref:
Deaths Mar 1905
McGorron Jane 70 Bramley 9b 248
so, if accurate, born 1834 or 1835.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Jan 2013 20:27

Tom, do please bear in mind that people on both sites (and particularly Ancestry) glibly copy data from each other's trees without checking if it's right. One person puts wrong data, they all have wrong data.

Always verify the info with certificates or other records as far as possible.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Jan 2013 20:28

1881:

MC GURRON, James Head Married M 49 1832 Tubelar Iron Tenter Ireland
MC GURRON, Jane Wife Married F 45 1836 Wife Scotland
MC GURRON, Margaret Daughter Single F 19 1862 Cloth Weaver (Woollen) Hunslet, Yorkshire
MC GURRON, Bertha Daughter Single F 15 1866 Flax Spinner Hunslet, Yorkshire
MC GURRON, William Son Single M 13 1868 Lorry Boy (Carman) Hunslet, Yorkshire
MC GURRON, Jane Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar Hunslet, Yorkshire
MC GURRON, Robert Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Hunslet, Yorkshire
MC GURRON, Mary Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar Hunslet, Yorkshire
MC GURRON, John Son Single M 0 1881 Hunslet, Yorkshire
Piece: 4490 Folio: 110 Page: 33
Registration District: Hunslet
Civil Parish: Hunslet

Address: 7, 2nd Court Canning St, Hunslet
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 26 Jan 2013 20:33

Had a look at the Anc trees.
None have a marriage date for this couple.
The marriage year is based on age of eldest child
I did a search on SP and could not find the marriage.

Here they are in 1871.
NB eldest son James was born in Newcastle, Northumberland:

1871 England Census
about Jane Garron
Name: Jane Garron
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Garron
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Town: Hunslet
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hunslet
Sub-registration district: Hunslet
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Household schedule number: 160
Piece: 4514
Folio: 40
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
James Garron 38
Jane Garron 34
James Garron 13
Margaret Garron 9
John Garron 7
Bertha Garron 5
William Garron 3
Jane Garron 10 Months


BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 26 Jan 2013 20:33

name: Jane Marshall
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 22 Dec 1839 <<<<<
baptism/christening place: CUMBERNAULD,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND
birth date: 05 Nov 1839
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Robert Marshall
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Margt. Aitken

Thomas

Thomas Report 26 Jan 2013 20:36

Thanks for looking it up. I am aware of ancestry's domino effect with data. It was a big family. I could not find Jane Marshall and James McGurron's marriage on bmd I do think it was from Scotland as the McGurron family went to Scotland first before making their way to England. However they had their first child, James in 1858 so I had to guess from there.

Tom

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BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 26 Jan 2013 20:42

Siblings for Jane



nameMargaret Marshall
genderFemale
baptism/christening date16 Jul 1837
baptism/christening placeCUMBERNAULD,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND
birth date01 Jul 1837
father's nameRobert Marshall
mother's nameMargt. Aitken
indexing project (batch) numberC11495-5
system originScotland-ODM
source film number1041984



nameJohn Marshall
genderMale
baptism/christening date08 Nov 1829
baptism/christening placeCUMBERNAULD,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND
birth date13 Oct 1829
father's nameRobert Marshall
mother's nameMargt. Aitken
indexing project (batch) numberC11495-5
system originScotland-ODM
source film number1041984



nameWilliam Marshall
genderMale
baptism/christening date01 May 1831
baptism/christening placeCUMBERNAULD,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND
birth date22 Apr 1831
father's nameRobert Marshall
mother's nameMargt. Aitken
indexing project (batch) numberC11495-5
system originScotland-ODM
source film number1041984



nameRobert Marshall
genderMale
baptism/christening date16 Dec 1827
baptism/christening placeCUMBERNAULD,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND
birth date18 Nov 1827
father's nameRobert Marshall
mother's nameMargt. Aitken
indexing project (batch) numberC11495-5
system originScotland-ODM
source film number1041984



nameJohn Aitken Marshall
genderMale
baptism/christening date01 Dec 1833
baptism/christening placeCUMBERNAULD,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND
birth date05 Nov 1833
father's nameRobt. Marshall
mother's nameMargt. Aitken
indexing project (batch) numberC11495-5
system originScotland-ODM
source film number1041984



nameAndrew Maxwell Marshall
genderMale
baptism/christening date22 Aug 1841
baptism/christening placeCUMBERNAULD,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND
birth date07 Jul 1841
father's nameRobt. Marshall
mother's nameMargt. Aitken
indexing project (batch) numberC11495-5
system originScotland-ODM
source film number1041984



Thomas

Thomas Report 26 Jan 2013 20:49

Thank You so much BeverleyW for your skills in finding it you are very kind and for all who looked.
Tom ;-)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Jan 2013 20:50

Tom, it's quite likely that they never did marry each other, a lot of couples didn't like to trouble the vicar!

Perhaps one of them was already married to someone else?

Helen

Helen Report 26 Jan 2013 20:55


1851 Scotland Census about Robert Marshall

Name: Robert Marshall
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Marshall
Gender: Male
Where born: Cumbd, Dumbartonshire
Parish Number: 495
Civil parish: Cumbernauld
Town: Cumbernauld
County: Dumbartonshire
Address: Old Roadside
Occupation: Handloom Weaver (cotton)
ED: 4
Page: 28 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 104
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1851_105
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Marshall 46
Margaret Marshall 42
William Marshall 19
John Marshall 17
Margaret Marshall 13
Dougal Buchanan 21



1861 Scotland Census about Robert Marshall
Name: Robert Marshall
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Marshall
Gender: Male
Where born: Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire
Registration number: 495
Registration district: Cumbernauld
Civil parish: Cumbernauld
County: Dumbartonshire
Address: Old Roadside Boyd's Land
Occupation: Ag Lab
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 101
Line: 23
Roll: CSSCT1861_67
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Marshall 56
Margaret Marshall 52
Janet Marshall 29
Elziabeth Marshall 2
Robert Marshall 1

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 26 Jan 2013 21:18

Tom,
Is there any document that states where in Scotland Jane Marshall was born?
So far 1871-1891 censuses say... Scotland.
Why do you think she came from Dunbartonshire?

IF ( big if) James and Jane followed the traditional naming pattern, it suggests that Jane's parents would be called John and Margaret ( 1st daughter and 2nd son)