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Thomas
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26 Jan 2013 19:53 |
Please may someone help.
Jane Marshall (1836) Dunbartonshire daughter of Robert Marshall (?) and Mary Aitken (?) I can't find them on Scottish census for 1841 or 1851.
Jane Marshall later marries James McGurron (an) Irishman and appears in various censi including 1881/91 census in Leeds as Jane McGurron. She had about 11 children with James, names including Bertha (1866), William (1868), Jane (1870), Robert (1872). She died in 1905 in Bramley Leeds.
I am trying to trace her Scottish ancestry. Many Thanks Tom
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MarieCeleste
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26 Jan 2013 19:58 |
Thomas, where did you get her parents names from if you haven't found her on census?
Do you have marriage certificate to confirm her father's name? If not, when/where did they marry?
Have you looked for records on Scotland's People?
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Thomas
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26 Jan 2013 20:08 |
The names of her parents have come from many trees on ancestry and genesreunited.co.uk. James McGurron married Jane Marshall in 1858, I do not have the certificate sorry.
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patchem
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26 Jan 2013 20:17 |
Could you post the 1881 or 1891 census , please?
Added: And the 1858 free bmd marriage, or was it in Scotland? Thanks
Added: For ref: Deaths Mar 1905 McGorron Jane 70 Bramley 9b 248 so, if accurate, born 1834 or 1835.
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MarieCeleste
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26 Jan 2013 20:27 |
Tom, do please bear in mind that people on both sites (and particularly Ancestry) glibly copy data from each other's trees without checking if it's right. One person puts wrong data, they all have wrong data.
Always verify the info with certificates or other records as far as possible.
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MarieCeleste
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26 Jan 2013 20:28 |
1881:
MC GURRON, James Head Married M 49 1832 Tubelar Iron Tenter Ireland MC GURRON, Jane Wife Married F 45 1836 Wife Scotland MC GURRON, Margaret Daughter Single F 19 1862 Cloth Weaver (Woollen) Hunslet, Yorkshire MC GURRON, Bertha Daughter Single F 15 1866 Flax Spinner Hunslet, Yorkshire MC GURRON, William Son Single M 13 1868 Lorry Boy (Carman) Hunslet, Yorkshire MC GURRON, Jane Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar Hunslet, Yorkshire MC GURRON, Robert Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Hunslet, Yorkshire MC GURRON, Mary Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar Hunslet, Yorkshire MC GURRON, John Son Single M 0 1881 Hunslet, Yorkshire Piece: 4490 Folio: 110 Page: 33 Registration District: Hunslet Civil Parish: Hunslet
Address: 7, 2nd Court Canning St, Hunslet County: Yorkshire (West riding)
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GlasgowLass
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26 Jan 2013 20:33 |
Had a look at the Anc trees. None have a marriage date for this couple. The marriage year is based on age of eldest child I did a search on SP and could not find the marriage.
Here they are in 1871. NB eldest son James was born in Newcastle, Northumberland:
1871 England Census about Jane Garron Name: Jane Garron Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James Garron Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Leeds Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Town: Hunslet County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Hunslet Sub-registration district: Hunslet ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Household schedule number: 160 Piece: 4514 Folio: 40 Page Number: 26 Household Members: Name Age James Garron 38 Jane Garron 34 James Garron 13 Margaret Garron 9 John Garron 7 Bertha Garron 5 William Garron 3 Jane Garron 10 Months
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BeverleyW
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26 Jan 2013 20:33 |
name: Jane Marshall gender: Female baptism/christening date: 22 Dec 1839 <<<<< baptism/christening place: CUMBERNAULD,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND birth date: 05 Nov 1839 birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: Robert Marshall father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Margt. Aitken
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Thomas
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26 Jan 2013 20:36 |
Thanks for looking it up. I am aware of ancestry's domino effect with data. It was a big family. I could not find Jane Marshall and James McGurron's marriage on bmd I do think it was from Scotland as the McGurron family went to Scotland first before making their way to England. However they had their first child, James in 1858 so I had to guess from there.
Tom
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BeverleyW
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26 Jan 2013 20:42 |
Siblings for Jane
nameMargaret Marshall genderFemale baptism/christening date16 Jul 1837 baptism/christening placeCUMBERNAULD,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND birth date01 Jul 1837 father's nameRobert Marshall mother's nameMargt. Aitken indexing project (batch) numberC11495-5 system originScotland-ODM source film number1041984
nameJohn Marshall genderMale baptism/christening date08 Nov 1829 baptism/christening placeCUMBERNAULD,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND birth date13 Oct 1829 father's nameRobert Marshall mother's nameMargt. Aitken indexing project (batch) numberC11495-5 system originScotland-ODM source film number1041984
nameWilliam Marshall genderMale baptism/christening date01 May 1831 baptism/christening placeCUMBERNAULD,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND birth date22 Apr 1831 father's nameRobert Marshall mother's nameMargt. Aitken indexing project (batch) numberC11495-5 system originScotland-ODM source film number1041984
nameRobert Marshall genderMale baptism/christening date16 Dec 1827 baptism/christening placeCUMBERNAULD,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND birth date18 Nov 1827 father's nameRobert Marshall mother's nameMargt. Aitken indexing project (batch) numberC11495-5 system originScotland-ODM source film number1041984
nameJohn Aitken Marshall genderMale baptism/christening date01 Dec 1833 baptism/christening placeCUMBERNAULD,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND birth date05 Nov 1833 father's nameRobt. Marshall mother's nameMargt. Aitken indexing project (batch) numberC11495-5 system originScotland-ODM source film number1041984
nameAndrew Maxwell Marshall genderMale baptism/christening date22 Aug 1841 baptism/christening placeCUMBERNAULD,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND birth date07 Jul 1841 father's nameRobt. Marshall mother's nameMargt. Aitken indexing project (batch) numberC11495-5 system originScotland-ODM source film number1041984
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Thomas
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26 Jan 2013 20:49 |
Thank You so much BeverleyW for your skills in finding it you are very kind and for all who looked. Tom ;-)
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MarieCeleste
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26 Jan 2013 20:50 |
Tom, it's quite likely that they never did marry each other, a lot of couples didn't like to trouble the vicar!
Perhaps one of them was already married to someone else?
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Helen
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26 Jan 2013 20:55 |
1851 Scotland Census about Robert Marshall
Name: Robert Marshall Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805 Relationship: Head Spouse's Name: Margaret Marshall Gender: Male Where born: Cumbd, Dumbartonshire Parish Number: 495 Civil parish: Cumbernauld Town: Cumbernauld County: Dumbartonshire Address: Old Roadside Occupation: Handloom Weaver (cotton) ED: 4 Page: 28 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 104 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1851_105 Household Members: Name Age Robert Marshall 46 Margaret Marshall 42 William Marshall 19 John Marshall 17 Margaret Marshall 13 Dougal Buchanan 21
1861 Scotland Census about Robert Marshall Name: Robert Marshall Age: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Margaret Marshall Gender: Male Where born: Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire Registration number: 495 Registration district: Cumbernauld Civil parish: Cumbernauld County: Dumbartonshire Address: Old Roadside Boyd's Land Occupation: Ag Lab ED: 10 Household schedule number: 101 Line: 23 Roll: CSSCT1861_67 Household Members: Name Age Robert Marshall 56 Margaret Marshall 52 Janet Marshall 29 Elziabeth Marshall 2 Robert Marshall 1
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GlasgowLass
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26 Jan 2013 21:18 |
Tom, Is there any document that states where in Scotland Jane Marshall was born? So far 1871-1891 censuses say... Scotland. Why do you think she came from Dunbartonshire?
IF ( big if) James and Jane followed the traditional naming pattern, it suggests that Jane's parents would be called John and Margaret ( 1st daughter and 2nd son)
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