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27 Jan 2013 20:48 |
1841 for ref: Name: John Adams Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Gender: Male Civil parish: Sheffield Hundred: Strafforth and Tickhill (South Division) County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: Sheffield piece: 1334 Book: 5 Folio: 34 Page Number: 9 ....John Adams 45 Catharine Adams 35 Mary Ann Adams 14 John Wm Adams 13 Henry Adams 11 James Adams 10 Charlotte Adams 6 Wm Fred Adams 4 Jas Somasd Adams 3 Rchl Eliz C Adams 11 Mo ....... Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1334; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Sheffield; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: Sheffield Barracks; Folio: 34; Page: 9; Line: 13; GSU roll: 464280.
? Births Sep 1840 Adams Rachel Elizabeth Catherine Ecclesall Bierlow 22 111
And the 1851 Catherine Adams Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805 Relation: Head Gender: F (Female) Where born: Ireland Civil parish: Nether Hallam Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Sub-registration district: Nether Hallam ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 77 Piece: 2336 Folio: 78 Page Number: 20 Catherine Adams 46 Mary A Adams 24 John A Adams 23 Jane Adams 19 Charles A Adams 16 William F Adams 14 James L Adams 13 Rachael Adams 10 Martha Adams 8 Joseph Adams 7 William Murray 35 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2336; Folio: 78; Page: 20; GSU roll: 87583-87584.
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27 Jan 2013 19:33 |
Wow thanks for all the replies
According to his Army record he fought at the Battle of New Orleans and was pensioned off in 1833 due to rheumastism. In 1841 he is the barrack sergant at Sheffield barracks his wife Catherine and children also live at the barracks. I cant find him in the 1851 census but his in 1851 his wife is a house Keeper for a Mr John Hooper she records herself as married.
His Army records show he was admitted to the pensioners on 1st Jan 1861 which fits with the 1861 census. He was discharged on the 1st July 1862 "to live with his children" so perhaps his marriage had broken down..
The hospital recorded all patients as private in that box this refers to his position in the instutution no the ranks they held in the Army. The John Adams born in Wretham 26 Nov 1794 appears in the 1861 still living in Wrentham so this rules him out but thanks for all your help.
Steve
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27 Jan 2013 16:49 |
On the 1861 he is described as married. Who was his wife?
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Vera
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27 Jan 2013 12:08 |
Re place of birth Wrentham.....just a thought......
The Church of St Margaret
The village of Reydon lies to the north of the town of Southwold. The three roads from Wangford, Wrentham and Halesworth converge at Reydon corner about 100 metres from where Mights Bridge crosses over Buss Creek, which provides the only road bridge entry to Southwold.
Reydon Church The parish church is dedicated to St Margaret of Antioch. It is situated on the B1126 Wangford Road, to the north west of the village. One of the most striking features is a large, unnamed bronze angel inscribed "To Fanny my beloved wife." The present building is mainly from the early 14th century. The tower was built about 1325. The chancel was made more elaborate in the 15th century, and has many niches for saints in the window splays. The church suffered damage during the Reformation and the Civil War and was much altered in succeeding centuries.[11][12][13]
Regards Vera
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27 Jan 2013 12:08 |
So if the army record is correct, then the John Adams as a Chelsea Pensioner as possibly not him (because of the rank). Which then muddies the waters - if Wrentham is correct - as we also have a John Adams in Wrentham in 1861...which suggests there could be two of them :-S
How have you got back to him?
Jude
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27 Jan 2013 11:46 |
name: John Adams event: Census event date: 1861 gender: Male age: 66 relationship to head of household: Private birthplace: Wickham, Suffolk record type: Institution registration district: Chelsea sub-district: 1 Chelsea South ecclesiastical parish: St Luke civil parish: St Luke Chelsea county: London, Middlesex
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27 Jan 2013 11:46 |
name: John Adams event: Census event date: 1861 gender: Male age: 67 relationship to head of household: Head birthplace: Wrentham, Suffolk record type: Household registration district: Mutford sub-district: 1 Kessingland ecclesiastical parish: civil parish: Rutley county: Suffolk
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27 Jan 2013 11:45 |
welcome to the boards Steve
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name: John Adams gender: Male baptism/christening date: 26 Nov 1794 baptism/christening place: WRENTHAM,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND birth date: 23 Nov 1794 birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: Henry Adams father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Mary Lidimer mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C06260-2 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 919640
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27 Jan 2013 11:42 |
I agree with Jude. I think the birthplace on the 1861 census says Wrentham.
Kath. x
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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27 Jan 2013 08:58 |
could it say Wrentham?
Jude
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27 Jan 2013 08:34 |
1861 ADAMS, John Private Married M 66 1795 Chelsea Pensioner Wickham, Suffolk Piece: 32 Folio: 145 Page: 13 Registration District: Chelsea Civil Parish: St Luke Chelsea Municipal Borough: Address: St Luke Chelsea County: London
(as above FMP, but not sure it's Wickham?)
Chris :)
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patchem
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27 Jan 2013 07:29 |
Have you found him on the 1851 census with an alternate place of birth? Thanks
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Vera
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26 Jan 2013 23:11 |
I am having the same problem as you finding a St Margarets Suffolk as a town.
I know mistakes were made on census....but when he was discharged from the army he was a sergeant....on the 1861 he is down as a private.
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26 Jan 2013 22:49 |
First name(s): John Last name: ADAMS
Calculated year of birth: 1795 Parish of birth: St Margarets Town of birth: St Margarets County of birth: Suffolk Age at attestation: 18 years Discharge date: 1 April 1813 Attestation corps: Attestation soldier number: Discharge rank: Sergeant Discharge corps: 43rd Regt Of Lt Infy Discharge soldier number: 97 The National Archives reference: WO97 / 583 / 4
Regards Vera
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26 Jan 2013 22:38 |
The Army records for My ancester John Adams record that he was born in the parish of St Margarets in or near the town of St Margaret Suffolk in 1795
He is in the Royal hospital Chelsea when the 1861 was taken and his place of birth is transribed by Ancestry as Witcham Suffolk.
I have googled St Margarets Suffolk but get various hits for St Margarets parishs in Suffolk the nearest sounding name to this in Suffolk is Wickham but the parish church is St Andrews. There is a Witcham in Cambrideshire but the parish church is St Martins, Does anyone know if there was a town or village called St Margarets in Suffolk at at fhis time.
Thanks in advance Steve
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