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New eyes needed to find BALFOUR family

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Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 29 Jan 2013 08:58

Kerri...I did wonder about the Athenry Balfours..but there are also ones in the Co. Fermanagh at the same time...will have a search around....
Flip... am still on the look out for Margaret..!!

Kerri

Kerri Report 29 Jan 2013 02:25

Yes,you sure have given me plenty to go on with-thankyou very much Flip & Erin.

It sure is great to have some extra help

I think the families were just thankful that they had some work & a roof over their head-not like back in Ireland in those times.

If anyone has time can you see on census William BALFOUR born b 1820 in Athenry,Co Galway,Ireland who married Mary WALSH in 1851 in Galway.They may not have gone to England (or Scotland) but died/stayed in Ireland-I dont know.. William was brother to Alexander BALFOUR (b c 1807 ),both sons of Alexander BALFOUR.

Thanks
Kerri

Flip

Flip Report 28 Jan 2013 20:25

I know this isn't helping Kerri, but my gg-grandparents moved between Scotland/Ireland and Cumbrerland with such frequency all their childen were born in different places! It was difficult to keep track of them - think they were moving from place to place for a better life. They eventually settled in Barrow - in sheds on the beach - then the smallpox epidemic killed most of the people living there! My g-grandfather survived (along with his sister) by luck or by crook - survival of the fittest!

Guess my grand parents were survivors, as I'm still here to tell the tale!

Anyway, bit of a diversion, but I think we've given Kerri quite a bit to go on ;-)

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 28 Jan 2013 19:51

They were atypical in most major industrial cities and towns..not uncommon..my paternal ggparents lived in 2 rooms with their 13 children and 2 lodgers..!Maternal gg parents lived much the same way but on the banks of the river...mud up to their eyeballs !

Flip

Flip Report 28 Jan 2013 19:32

Erin, I've no idea where you're from, but that is the terrible way our ancestors must have lived - I've seen similar stories before, from the countryside, but have never looked at them in a city which looks so much worse. God, I'm so glad I didn't live back then.

Who knows what happened to Margaret, guess Jane must have been lucky to get out of the hell hole - even though just across the main road.

Guess we really are pretty lucky these days!


Added - we crossed, and yes you're probably right about the pennies to bless themselves with!

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 28 Jan 2013 19:21

Probate..!!!
Dont suppose they had a penny to Bless themselves with...

Flip

Flip Report 28 Jan 2013 19:18

Incidently, to kill off James, think this his him in 1911

James Myerscough
Age in 1911: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Walton on the Hill 99%)
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Myerscough James 74 W.Derby 8b 377 Dec qty 1917

But no probate to confirm this though - but it fits although a couple of year out!

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 28 Jan 2013 19:16

Forgot about her...!!!


Have a look at this site...This is what the "Courts" were like...I was being sensitive using the term tenement....they actually came later..!


http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/category/courts-commercial-buildings/

Flip

Flip Report 28 Jan 2013 18:48

Monday lunchtime to be precise - I did a typo error on FMP for Myers - put in Myres by mistake, and look what came up! Then just traced it through Ancestry, so I wasn't being clever, just a slip of the fingers believe it or not.

I don't know Liverpool very well, but I'll take your word for the geography Erin, just wish we could find Margaret - the original post was trying to find what happened to Alexander & Margaret - I think we nailed him & their daughter (with loads of kids to trace though), but haven't put an end to Margaret yet. :-D

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 28 Jan 2013 15:12

Well thats brilliant piece of detective work on a Monday ..never ceases to amaze me how names get altered..!!

Kerri....Woodstock St and Dalrymple St. were just a hop skip and jump from each other..Woodstock St was on one side of Scotland Road (main thoroughfare known locally as The Scottie) Dalrymple St on the other side...they were tenement dwellings eventually pulled down in the 60s..both named streets are still there today but bear no relation to the streets of 18/1900s....

Flip

Flip Report 28 Jan 2013 13:44

Leonard Myerscough (widow)
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 7 Jan 1844
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Newby
Father's Name: James Myerscough
Spouse Father's Name: Edward Newby

Flip

Flip Report 28 Jan 2013 13:35

Looks like they started off as Myerscough and in Liverpool according to this christening:

James Myerscough
Baptism Date: 22 Oct 1844
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name: Leonard Myerscough
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Myerscough

Flip

Flip Report 28 Jan 2013 13:31

Deaths Sep 1898 (>99%)
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Myerscough Jane 45 Liverpool 8b 24

Flip

Flip Report 28 Jan 2013 13:26

James Myerscough
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Myerscough
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: Dalrymple St 2/2
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Labourer Flour Mill (Cn)

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3595
Folio: 44
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
James Myerscough 36
Jane Myerscough 35 << born Ireland
Elizabeth Myerscough 9
Margaret Myerscough 6
June Myerscough 5
Leonard Myerscough 7
Alexander Myerscough 2
James Myerscough
William Roberts 65

James Myerscough
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Myerscough
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2900
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
James Myerscough 48
Jane Myerscough 38
Elizabeth Myerscough 18
Bernard Myerscough 17
Maggie Myerscough 15
Jane Myerscough 13
Alexander Myerscough 12
James Myerscough 10
Martha Myerscough 8
William Myerscough 6
Edward Myerscough 4
Mary E Myerscough 1
Charles Tennant 22

But James is a widow in 1901:

James Myerscough
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Father-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 84
Piece: 3408
Folio: 11
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas A James 32
Elizabeth James 29
James Myerscough 59
Alexander Myerscough 22
William Myerscough 16
Edward Myerscough 14
Mary E Myerscough 11
May Myerscough 7
Albert S James 12
Patrick Glenon 37



Flip

Flip Report 28 Jan 2013 13:20

1871 still at same address, mother is now a widow but this is the same family despite the change of name and birth places (all now state Liverpool):

James Myerscough
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Myerscough
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Household schedule number: 76
Piece: 3761
Folio: 70
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Myerscough 49
James Myerscough 26
Edward Myerscough 21
Joseph Myerscough 17
Samuel Myerscough 15
William Roberts 54

Flip

Flip Report 28 Jan 2013 13:11

Think I got James in 1861, all family born Preston, Lancs. Living 23 Woodstock Street!

Leonard Myres
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Myres
Gender: Male
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 155
Piece: 2654
Folio: 248
Page Number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
Leonard Myres 50
Elizabeth Myres 40
James Myres 17
Ellen Myres 14
Edward Myres 12
Jane Myres 8
Joseph Myres 5
Samuel Myres 4
John Rooney 24 <<lodgers, born Ireland
Ann Rooney 20

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Jan 2013 08:40

Births Jun 1930 Myers John B Redgrove Islington 1b 504

Marriages Jun 1924
Myers David N Redgrove Paddington 1a 192
Redgrove Letty E Myers Paddington 1a 192


Not Seeing a birth for David N Myers. Perhaps he was not born in England or Wales.

Flip

Flip Report 28 Jan 2013 06:51

The only clue I can think of is to try to find James and his father - I've tried looking for them in earlier census, but no luck. We assume James was at least 21 when they married, but he could have been older, so I've looked for deaths for his father Leonard/Lenard but there is nothing obvious coming up. We have no idea where James is from, there's no sign (that i can see) of him in Liverpool on 1871 census.

I'm beginning to wonder if James was from Ireland or even further afield bearing in mind Liverpool was a thriving port back then?

Kerri

Kerri Report 28 Jan 2013 00:08

Thanks for your thoughts on this.

I was searching but havent found anything yet. Though I did find this death-looked interesting

Name: John Balfour Myers
Birth: 8 May 1930
Death: Sep 1990 - Exeter, Devon, England

Flip

Flip Report 27 Jan 2013 17:17

No, doesn't give one I'm afraid. But Jane and parents were living at No 5, Court 17, 26 Woodstock Street at the time of the 1871 census.