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Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 28 Jan 2013 22:34

Hello, I have a Thomas H. Robson born 1849 in Newcastle, Northumberland. On the 1901 census it is recorded he is a nephew of the Head. I have this man born out of wedlock and I am very interested to know who else is on the census with him and the relationship details which may get me a bit nearer to discovering the truth.

Andrew

Andrew Report 28 Jan 2013 22:39

1901 England Census
about Thomas H Robson
Name: Thomas H Robson
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Otterburn
Ecclesiastical parish: Elsdon
Town: Otterburn
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bellingham
Sub-registration district: Bellingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 4829
Folio: 83
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Mitchell 80 Grocer
Margaret A Douglas 45 Nieces,
Anna M Douglas 38
Thomas H Robson 52 Manager woollen mill

All single




Andy

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 28 Jan 2013 22:41

Thank you so much Andy, interesting, now I can do some detective work, thank you very much xx

Andrew

Andrew Report 28 Jan 2013 22:44

1891

1891 England Census
about Margaret Mitchell
Name: Margaret Mitchell
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Elsdon, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Otterburn
Ecclesiastical parish: Elsdon
Town: Otterburn
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bellingham
Sub-registration district: Bellingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4252
Folio: 82
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Mitchell 70
Margaret A Douglas 35
Anna M Douglas 28
Thomas H Robson 42


Andy

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 28 Jan 2013 22:45

Hi Gillian Jennifer, I don't know if this is coincidence given the ages on the census, but could Thomas have been courting the niece ? just in case

Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DOUGLAS Anna M Newcastle T. 10b 164 << ?
Hall Ann P Newcastle upon Tyne 10b 164
Hunter George W Newcastle T. 10b 164
Robson Thomas H Newcastle T. 10b 164 <<<?

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 28 Jan 2013 22:46

On the 1891 census he is with the same people but just recorded as "boarder".

Kath. x

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 28 Jan 2013 22:46

maybe not lol it would have been a long courtship!

Andrew

Andrew Report 28 Jan 2013 22:47

1881

1881 England Census
about Margaret Mitchell
Name: Margaret Mitchell
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Elsdon, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Otterburn
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address: Otterburn Village
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Draper And Grocer

Registration district: Bellingham
Sub-registration district: Bellingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5111
Folio: 42
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Mitchell 61
Margaret A. Douglas 25
Annie Maria Douglas 18
Thomas H. Robson 32




Andy

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 28 Jan 2013 22:47

Wow, that looks possible, I can find very little on him, but this looks good x x Thank you very much xx

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 28 Jan 2013 22:48

In 1911 he is described as "cousin":-

1911 census transcription details for: Otterburn

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN30984 RG78PN1772 RD563 SD1 ED10 SN37
Reg. District: Bellingham
Sub District: Bellingham
Parish: Otterburn
Enum. District: 10

Address: Otterburn
County: Northumberland

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

DOUGLAS, Margaret Head Single F 55 1856 Shopkeeper Northd Morpeth
DOUGLAS, Anna M Sister Single F 48 1863 Housekeeper Co Durham Gateshead
ROBSON, Thomas H Cousin Single M 62 1849 Mill Foreman Northd Newcastle on Tyne
TAYLOR, Frances Servant Single F 15 1896 General Servant Domestic Northd Wallsend

Kath. x

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 28 Jan 2013 22:49

Thank you everybody, he is one of three children born out of wedlock while their father was married. This infor is very good, thank you xx

Andrew

Andrew Report 28 Jan 2013 22:50

1871

1871 England Census
about Margaret Mitchell
Name: Margaret Mitchell
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Margaret Mitchell
Gender: Female
Where born: Northnd, Elsdon
Civil parish: Otterburn
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Bellingham
Sub-registration district: Bellingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 27
Piece: 5157
Folio: 40
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Mitchell 78
Margaret Mitchell 50 Daughter
William Douglas 13 Grandson
Thomas Robson 22 Step Grandson
Snowden Douglas 57 Son in Law

Andy


Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 28 Jan 2013 22:51

It looks like 1911 Margaret Mitchell had passed away, and he was living there with his cousins, I think x x

Andrew

Andrew Report 28 Jan 2013 22:53

1861 England Census
about Margaret Mitchell
Name: Margaret Mitchell
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Margaret Mitchell
Gender: Female
Where born: Elsdon, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Otterburn
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Bellingham
Sub-registration district: Bellingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 3868
Folio: 48
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Mitchell 68
John Mitchell 39 Son
Margaret Mitchell 40 Dau
Mary Robson 33 Dau
Thomas H Robson 12 Boarder

Andy


Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 28 Jan 2013 22:55

1871 step grand son, interesting.

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 28 Jan 2013 23:00

Looks possible his Mother was Mary Robson.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 28 Jan 2013 23:19

Is this Thomas's birth:-


Name: ROBSON, Thomas Humble
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
County: Northumberland
Year of registration: 1849
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 25
Page no: 371

If it is then the certificate should name his mother and if he was illegitimate then his middle name "Humble" could be his father's surname.

Kath. x

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 29 Jan 2013 00:11

Thank you for that, I will certainly check.

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 29 Jan 2013 00:12

I believe his father to be Shield, but of the three children he had whilst married to others is the only one not using his surname.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 29 Jan 2013 00:38

I wondered if Mary Mitchell was the boy's mother, but then again, he is not on this census with the "mother"

1851 England Census
about Mary Mitchell
Name: Mary Mitchell
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Margaret Mitchell
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Elsdon, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Otterburn
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Bellingham
Sub-registration district: Bellingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 13
Piece: 2417
Folio: 62
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Mitchell 59
Thomas A Mitchell 34
John Mitchell 28 son Surgeon
Eliza Mitchell 26
Mary Mitchell 23
Maria Ann Mitchell 20
Charles E Robertson 26 visitor b midlothian. Surgeon
James Milburn 13

Here he is:
1851 England Census
about Thomas H Robson
Name: Thomas H Robson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Shield
Mother's Name: Sarah Shield
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Whickham
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Whickham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 276
Piece: 2403
Folio: 134
Page Number: 67
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Shield 41
Sarah Shield 38
Ann Shield 22
Thomas Shield 20
Robert Shield 16
William Shield 12
Sarah Ann Shield 4
Josephine H Shield 2 Mo
Jane Shield 12
Thomas H Robson 2