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I have all the information on this gentleman (ecept death date) and the jigsaw of the info seems to fit but I cannot prove he is actually THE John Sadler I need

He joined the Life Guards in 1815
He married twice in London in St Geaorges Hanover Square 2cnd wife Sarah Strickland in 1822 fits in with birth of their daughter Sarah in c 1823..(no birth details seem available but it might have been Windsor Castle as he was on duty there) Retired in 1841 and went to live in Ripon Sarah married in Ripon
Anyone any more information please
Carole Preston

Is this the man the you need a death for plase?

1841

Name: John Sadler
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Ripon
Hundred: Ripon
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Ripon
Sub-registration district: Ripon
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1352
Book: 6
Folio: 13
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
John Sadler 42
Sarah Sadler 35


His occupation is given as Pensioner.

The National Archives may have a record of when the pension ceased to be paid.

Not sure what you're looking for.............apart from his death, which will be on freebmd

You haven't given any indication of when he was last known to be alive............or his birth year

You say he was your G G Grandfather......then seem to suggest you aren't sure if he actually was.............

Is Sarah your PROVEN direct line?

If not...................how did you work back to this family?

Welcome to the boards Carole

Is this your John in 1851...

??

1851 England Census
about John Sadler
Name: John Sadler
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Sadler
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Boltby, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: York St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: York
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Skelton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 157
Piece: 2353
Folio: 236
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
John Sadler 48 (Landed Proprietor and Chelsea Pensioner)
Sarah Ann Sadler 42
John Sadler 6 (Son)

(Res: Providence Square)

Do you have her marriage cert from 1848 ?

What details does it give please?

Dea x

What does Sarah's marriage cert say about her father?

Who witnessed the event?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Sadler
Name: John Sadler Of Windsor in the county Berks*********************widower
Spouse Name: Sarah Strickland Spinster
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Jul 1822
Parish: St George Hanover Square
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Witnesses William Holderness and Charlotte Palmer


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Sarah Sadler
Name: Sarah Sadler
Record Type: Baptism
BORN 26 Nov 1823 ****************
Baptism Date: 5 Sep 1824
Father's Name: John Sadler Life Guards Man*********
Mother's Name: Sarah Sadler
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary Abbots Church, Kensington
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers

Where was Sarah in 1841?

There appear to be 2 John Sadlers who are Chelsea Pensioners, both discharged around the same time, both from Yorkshire.

One in the 2nd Regiment of Life Guards who was born in Sheffield c 1795 and worked as a Smith.

The other in the 1st Regiment of Life Guards who was born in Boltby, Thirsk, Yorkshire c 1798 and worked as a Labourer. - He gave his date of birth as 7th August.

Their records are on FMP and neither give any clue as to a wife or any children.

Dea x

Sarah the daughter was not born in Windsor. She was baptised in Kensington Middx. I put the baptism up for you.

Carol sent me a copy of the marriage cert for Sarah Sadler and John Tuet Simpson:

dated 12th June, 1848 at Ripon Cathedral.
John aged 24, batchelor, stone mason. father same name - a farmer
Sarah aged 22, spinster, father John Sadler, - a farmer. (suggests birth date c 1826 ???)

Witnesses Wm (or W M )? Theakston and Harriet Nelson Jones.

addresses just say 'Ripon'

.....................

Carol - How have you connected John Sadler (Farmer) to the one who was in the Life Guards please?

Dea x

I connected it like this

Sarah born c 1823 m John Simpsonbc 1824 In Ripon in 1848

Croft Parish gave me details of John Simpson which match other people who have contacted me over the years.

I found John Sadler in some war records on Ancestry & the he reappeared in Ripon, as a pensioner, in 1841 census
At the time Sarah was in service in London but she actually married in Ripon Cathedral.....John SIMPSON was a master stone mason and he could well have been working on Ripon Cathedral & met Sarah whilst she was visiting her parents
They firstly lived in Yarm then sarah moved up to county Durham & I have all the census records which, of course, include my G grandmama Grtrude Wilson nee Simpson,johnSimpson died about 1845 from that lung disease.I have death cert proving Sarah could not write

The bit on the marriage cert was a grand guess I think.....but Mr Simpson Senior is a different matter all together

Hope this helps
cazap

Carol,

You say above:

"JohnSimpson died about 1845 from that lung disease.I have death cert proving Sarah could not write"

Either you have mixed up the date, or the person??

Could you tell me what you meant to put please?

Dea x

This is all very confusing

Dea can you find Sarah and John Simpson on the census please.

This must be them in 1861 Mel:

1861 census transcription details for: Old Shildon
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 3708
Folio: 37
Page: 26
Reg. District: Auckland
Sub District: 1 Bishop Auckland
Parish: Old Shildon
Enum. District: 16
Ecclesiastical District: Old Shildon
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Old Shildon
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SIMPSON, John Head Married M 37 1824 Mason
Croft, Yorkshire
SIMPSON, Sarah Wife Married F 37 1824
Winson, Berkshire
SIMPSON, John William Son M 12 1849 Labourer
Yarm, Yorkshire
SIMPSON, Thomas Son M 11 1850 Scholar
Yarm, Yorkshire
SIMPSON, Elizabeth Daughter F 8 1853 Scholar
Shildon, Durham
SIMPSON, Sarah Ann Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar
Shildon, Durham
SIMPSON, Gertrude Daughter F 4 1857 Scholar
Shildon, Durham
SIMPSON, Eliza Jane Daughter F 1 1860
Shildon, Durham


Have been out but I had difficulty finding them on others...............

Dea x

This HAS to be Sarah and children on 1851 though quite how they are daughter-in-law and grandchildren baffles me at the moment:

1851 census transcription details for: Etherley, Bishop Auckland
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2385
Folio: 289
Page: 20
Reg. District: Auckland
Sub District:
Parish: Bishop Auckland
Enum. District: ST ANDREW AUCKLAND
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Etherley, Bishop Auckland
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WILSON, Timothy Head Married M 64 1787 Coal Miner
Etherley Lane, Durham
WILSON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 51 1800
Etherley Lane, Durham
WILSON, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 24 1827
Etherley Lane, Durham
WILSON, Timothy Son Unmarried M 15 1836 Coal Miner
Etherley Lane, Durham
WILSON, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1839
Etherley Lane, Durham
WILSON, Sarah Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar
Etherley Lane, Durham
COOPER, Jane Lodger W F 82 1769 Pauper
Etherley Lane, Durham
CROSBY, Edward Son-In-Law Married M 24 1827 Coal Miner
Witton Colliery, Durham
CROSBY, Mary Ann Daughter Married F 18 1833
Etherley Lane, Durham
SIMPSON, Sarah Daughter-In-Law Married F 24 1827
Windsor, Berkshire
SIMPSON, John William Grandson M 3 1848
Yarm, Yorkshire
SIMPSON, Tomas Grandson M 1 1850
Yarm, Yorkshire

Dea x

John is working away from home:

1851 census transcription details for: Old Faw
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2380
Folio: 189
Page: 2
Reg. District: Askrigg
Sub District: Hawes
Parish:
Enum. District: 3B
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Old Faw
County: Yorkshire (North riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
LISTER, Margaret Wife Married F 39 1812
Sedbergh, Yorkshire
METCALFE, Betty Visitor F 35 1816 Charwoman
Hawes, Yorkshire
IVISOM, William Lodger M 27 1824 Mason
Bridgehouse, Yorkshire
SIMPSON, John M 27 1824 Mason
Oldcroft, Yorkshire

Dea x

Elizabeth Simpson married Timothy Wilson in 1832. I wonder if she was a widow and the mum of John Simpson.

Was Sarah Sadler nee Strikland from Yorkshire?

1841 Ripon
Sarah not born in county.

1851 now Sarah Ann now born in Yorkshire,are these two different people??


Maryb

Hi Everybody
Just got back from my shift as a stately home room guide...to find load of stuff
Sarah married John Simpson from Croft on Tees
His mother was Elizabeth Simpson....oh the marriage certificate he gives name of John T Simpson as his father...very odd... as vicar at Croft says he is illegitimate son of Elizabeth
John & Sarah live in yarm with 2 sons in 1851 census
1861 has her in County Durham
If this is the census she is with Timothy wilson & family
Elizabeth Simpson has married Tmothy Wilson in 1831
so sarah Simpson is her d in Law and the lids are Elizabeths granchildren
One census has John & Sarah actually together
Then she is widowed and she is with her own family until 1891 when she listed as a servant...
I cannot see when she died as their are a number of sarah Simpsons
Does this help
Carole