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Help I can't find Granddad on any census.

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McAlp

McAlp Report 30 Jan 2013 11:02

So could some kind person save my sanity and my eyesight please.


Frank William Goddard
Born 23 October 1889 on birth certificate place is Islington
parents William Goddard occupation Hairdresser
mother Caroline Hollingsworth
Address 120 Liverpool Buildings Islington.

Army medal record
Essex Regiment
Regimental number 9820
enlisted 21 October 1911
discharged 21 April 1919
under cause of discharge are the code is P.392 (xvia)KR
Action taken list K/1837/2.
Which I have no idea what they mean.

Married Eliza Ball: born 14 July 1893
4 August 1918 Newington London
his address at time was 31 Inville Road
But has swapped his names around and now he calls himself William Frank
Her parents were
George John Ball
Mother Eliza Wright.



He died 21 December 1971
Brook Hospital Greenwich.

We have all the above certificates
But I can find nothing on any of the census.

Eliza I have on the 1901 census with her parents
Eliza and George.

Thank you
Ann

Andrew

Andrew Report 30 Jan 2013 11:08


1911 perhaps?


1911 England Census
about William Frank Goddard
Name: William Frank Goddard
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Birth Place: Islington, London, England
Civil parish: Richmond
County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding
Country: England
Marital Status: Single
Military unit: 3rd Res Battalion Yorkshire Regiment
Registration district: Richmond
Registration District Number: 542
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 29474



Andy

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jan 2013 11:09

????

1911

Name: William Frank Goddard
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Birth Place: Islington, London, England
Civil parish: Richmond
County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding
Country: England
Marital Status: Single
Military unit: 3rd Res Battalion Yorkshire Regiment
Registration district: Richmond
Registration District Number: 542
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 29474

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Jan 2013 11:12

1881 England Census
about William Goddard
Name: William Goddard
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Goddard
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Leicester St Margaret
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address: 43 Wharf Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Hairdresser

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: East Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 60
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3164
Folio: 105
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
William Goddard 30 (Hairdresser)
Caroline Goddard 30 Birmingham
James Goddard 10 Sheffield
Edith Goddard 7 Sheffield
Frank Goddard 5 Liverpool
Kate Goddard 2 Leistershire

McAlp

McAlp Report 30 Jan 2013 11:14

Hi thanks but he was in the Essex Regiment

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jan 2013 11:20

Is this his parents marriage?

Marriages Dec 1869

Goddard William Sheffield 9c 638
Hollingsworth Caroline Sheffield 9c 638
MASKERY Tilly Sheffield 9c 638
WOODLEY George Sheffield 9c 638

McAlp

McAlp Report 30 Jan 2013 11:22

Thanks PP but Granddad wasn't born till 1889
and was born in Islington not Liverpool.
My problem is I don't know when Caroline or William Senior were born or where, and no one to ask.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Jan 2013 11:23

1871 England Census
about Caroline Goddard
Name: Caroline Goddard
[Caroline Hollingsworth]
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frank Hollingsworth
Mother's Name: Mary Ellen Hollingsworth
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham
Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 7
Piece: 4681
Folio: 115
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Hollingsworth 47
Mary Ellen Hollingsworth 43
Caroline Goddard 22 (Married)
Sarah Ann Hollingsworth 14
Teresa Hollingsworth 10
Frank Rd Hollingsworth 7
Edith Hollingsworth 2
James Goddard 10 Months (Grandson)


McAlp

McAlp Report 30 Jan 2013 11:26

rootgatherer
That could be possibility, I can't rule it in or out at the moment

I thought if I could find a
them in Islington on a census I would find where and when they were born.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Jan 2013 11:41

Son Frank born 1875 Liverpool

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Frank Goddard
Name: Frank Goddard (Jewell Case Maker) 33 Shinland Road
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Age: 23
Spouse Name: Florence Linton Watters
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Aug 1899
Parish: Paddington St Saviour
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: William Goddard (Hairdresser)
Spouse Father Name: Robert Walter Watters (Boot Closer)
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: William Hollingsworth and Fanny Watters



1901 England Census
about Frank Goddard
Name: Frank Goddard
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Florence H Goddard
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Highbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 77
Piece: 201
Folio: 89
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Goddard 25 (Jewel Case Maker)
Florence L Goddard 25
Arthur L Goddard 10 Months
Joseph Boreham 53 (Visitor)

I can't spot him in 1891 with his parents though.




McAlp

McAlp Report 30 Jan 2013 11:50

I wonder about this one ??

William Goddard
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Goddard
Mother's Name: Caroline Goddard
Gender: Male
Where born: Battersea, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: West Battersea


Is it possible that the birth year is just wrong ?

McAlp

McAlp Report 30 Jan 2013 11:52

PP
I have Eliza and William (junior)
Marriage certificate

McAlp

McAlp Report 30 Jan 2013 12:07

I have to go out now, thanks for looking
and will check back later
Ann

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 30 Jan 2013 12:09

A Guide to WW1 Causes of Discharge - Paragraph 392 of King's Regulations 1912

http://www.forrestdale.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/KingsRegs1912/Para392Introduction.html


Discharged in April 1919 and would appear to be surplus to military requirements

Dea

Dea Report 30 Jan 2013 12:10

This site will give you an explanation of the discharge code:

http://www.military-researcher.com/KR392.html

Dea x

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 30 Jan 2013 12:20

Would not be so quick in ruling out the 1911 census

Looking at the Medal Card it show he enlisted on 21.10.11 in Essex Regiment.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Jan 2013 14:30

(reference)

Name: Eliza Ball
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Age: 26
Spouse Name: William Frank Goddard (Private in 3rd Essex Regt.)
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Aug 1918
Parish: Walworth All Saints
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: George John Ball
Spouse Father Name: William Goddard (Silversmith. Deceased)
Register Type: Parish Register

Chris :)

(also think 1911 looks good!)


Name: William Goddard
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Apr 1885
Father's Name: William Goddard (Bricklayer)
Mother's Name: Caroline Goddard
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St Saviour
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers
(address, 29, Balfern Street)

(other one)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Jan 2013 15:22

UK, Silver War Badge Records, 1914-1920
Name: William Frank Goddard (age 27)
Discharge Unit: Essex. Regt.
Regiment Number: 9820
Rank: Pte
Badge Number: B309047
Unit: Infantry (Warley)
Piece: 3110
List Number: K 1601/1-1900/2
Record Group: WO
Record Class: 329
(Served Overseas. Yes, Cause of Discharge K.R. 392 (xvia)

Chris :)

Historical Background

The British Empire lost more than 700,000 service personnel killed in World War 1. An even greater number were discharged because of wounds or illness. In September 1916, King George V authorized the Silver War Badge (SWB) to honor all military personnel who had served at home or overseas since 4 August 1914 and who had been discharged because of wounds or illness. The SWB was a small, circular badge made of sterling silver, bearing the king’s initials, a crown, and the inscriptions ‘For King and Empire’ and ‘Services Rendered’.
The SWB was not simply an honor; it also served a practical purpose. At the time, men of military age who were not obviously in the service were sometimes accosted or insulted by civilians presenting them with white feathers — a symbol of cowardice — for shirking their patriotic duty. The badge served as an outward symbol that the wearer’s duty to country had been honorably fulfilled.


McAlp

McAlp Report 30 Jan 2013 23:29

Thank you everyone for your time
it has given me food for thought, and has answered why he was discharged from the Army, he was very fond of showing his war wound).I shall pursue the 1911 census and see where it leads.
Once again thank you all for your time.
Ann

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 30 Jan 2013 23:35

Was just looking back at this and still can not find any trace in 1891 census