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Would like help please in finding out who Elizabeth nee ?? married surname Neal. She was born Clerkenwell London 1836. On 1891 census states she (Elizabeth Neal) was head lvg with sons John & Albert Neal and sister in law Nancy Neal. Holborn St. London.

Thank you Anne

Look for her on earlier censuses.............

Look for marriage info on freebmd.......that's all anyone can do

If you don't know her maiden name, how are you sure that you have the right person?

I know correct person as was actually looking at census 1891 for Nancy Neal also John which ties up with age etc of the. plus birth place.

What you haven't mentioned is that the sister in law was born in Redbourne, Herts.

For ref.......

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Neal
Name: Elizabeth Neal
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Clerkenwell, London, England

Civil parish: St Andrew and St George
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Holborn
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: St George the Martyr
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 219
Folio: 68
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Neal 55 (Widow)
Albert Neal 22
John W Neal 18
Nancy Neal 57

1861 England Census
Name: Nancy Neal
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Neal
Gender: Female
Where born: Redbourn, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Redbourn
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: St Albans
Sub-registration district: Harpenden
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 18
Piece: 828
Folio: 23
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
John Neal 64
Susan Neal 33
Nancy Neal 31
Emma Neal 20
Charles Neal 16
Charles Mitchell 30

1851 England Census
Name: John Neal
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Relation: Head
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Wheathamstead, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Redbourn
Town: Redbourn
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: St Albans
Sub-registration district: Harpenden
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 33
Piece: 1713
Folio: 136
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
John Neal 56
Susannah Neal 26
Emma Neal 11
Joseph Neal 9
Charles Neal 7
Caroline Neal 5

1841 England Census
Name: John Neal
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Redbourn
Hundred: Cashio
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: St Albans
Sub-registration district: Harpenden
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 438
Book: 18
Folio: 6
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John Neal 45
Ann Neal 40
Susan Neal 14
Ann Neal 12
Henry Neal 10
Amiel Neal 8
John Neal 3
Emma Neal 1

Now look for a possible marriage......................

................or buy the son's birth cert (if it was registered)

Failing that.........if the sons married, they should name their father on the marriage certs

Thank you .

Albert in 1881

Name: Albert Neal
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Albans
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Albert Road
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: St Albans
Sub-registration district: St Albans
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1432
Folio: 58
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
John Newell 33
Emma Newell 38
Edith E. Newell 4
Albert Neal 12

Marriages Mar 1871 (>99%)
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Barber John St Alban's 3a 345
Goodgame Selina St Alban's 3a 345
Neal Emma St. Alban's 3a 345
Newell John St Alban's 3a 345

I have to pop out Anne but i will check back on here later.

Prickles.

name: Albert Neal
age: 12
gender: Male
birth year: 1869
birthplace: London, Middlesex, England
relationship to head of household: Nephew
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Scholar
address: Albert Road
census place: St Albans, Hertfordshire, England

head John Newell M 33 St Albans, Hertfordshire, England
wife Emma Newell F 38 Redbourn, Hertfordshire, England
daughter Edith E Newell F 4 St Albans, Hertfordshire, England
nephew Albert Neal M 12 London, Middlesex, England

Proving elusive in 1871................

Thank you for all who took the trouble to try and help me find out Elizabeth maiden name Anne

This is a suggestion ONLY, based on age and birthplace.................as she's a widow, one would have to question John's birth

1881 England Census about Elizabeth Ann Neel
Name: Elizabeth Ann Neel
[Elizabeth Ann Neal]
[Elizabeth Ann Crabb]
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ann Crabb
Gender: Female
Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St George Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 16 Jockeys Fields
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)

Occupation: No Occupation
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: St George the Martyr
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 339
Folio: 54
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Crabb 70 born Kingsthorpe Northants
Elizabeth Ann Neel 46

Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
Botham Ann W.London 1c 89
CRABB Elizabeth Ann W. London 1c 89
GATES Job W. London 1c 89
NEAL Joseph W. London 1c 89

BUT............you MUST verify, by getting AT LEAST one of the sons' marriage certs

A tree on Ancestry has a John W Neal born 1872 London with parents Joseph Neal (b. 1841) and Elizabeth Ann Crabbe (b. 1835)

No sources though.

1871 England Census about Joseph Neal
Name: Joseph Neal
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: East Neal
Gender: Male
Where born: Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Household schedule number: 90
Piece: 46
Folio: 12
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Neal 30
East Neal 35****************image is E A
Joseph Neal 2
Florence Neal 10 Months

I would venture to suggest that this is the clincher

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Albert Joseph Neal
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Age: 23
Spouse Name: Leah Hart
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Nov 1891
Parish: St Andrew Holborn
Borough: City of London
Father Name: Joseph Neal
Spouse Father Name: Ralph Hart
Register Type: Parish Register