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31 Jan 2013 20:35 |
I am looking for Matthew on the above two census. Born 1810 Auckland district, Co Durham. He married Elizabeth Moor in 1832 at St Andrews church Auckland. They had Jane baptised 1833. Elizabeth died 1843 and Matthew remarries Isabella Oates at St Helens church, Auckland. They had at least one son called Thomas born 1847 (I got this bit off the 1881 census) and there is a daughter called Isabella born 1849. On the 1851 census on FMP index there is an Isabella in Auckland region. Could someone please take a look at both census. Thank you.
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31 Jan 2013 20:39 |
1851 England Census about Matthew Hull Name: Matthew Hull Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Isabella Hull Gender: M (Male) Where born: Bishop Auckland, Durham, England Civil parish: Auckland St Helen Ecclesiastical parish: Auckland St Helen County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Auckland Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 31 Piece: 2385 Folio: 408 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Matthew Hull 38 Isabella Hull 38 Elizabeth Oates 11 Mary Ann Hull 5 Isabella Hull 3 Matthew Hull 6 Mo
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31 Jan 2013 20:49 |
I couldn't find him on the 1841 Census ..... I did however find an Isabella Oates with husband on the 1841.
That leads me to believe that Isabella was a widow when Matthew married her
I also found the following from a Public Family Tree .................... which of course has to be checked out very carefully before you accept it all as true.
MATTHEW HULL Birth 28 July 1810 in Bishop Auckland.England Death 27 November 1885 in St Helen Auckland, Durham, England
Parents
JOHN HULL 1782 – 1850 MARY ELGEY 1776 –
Spouse & Children
Elizabeth Moor 1810 – 1833
Jane Hull 1833 –
Spouse & Children
ISABELLA DAVISON 1812 – 1886
Mary Ann Hull 1846 – 1899 Isabella Hull 1849 – 1932 Matthew Hull 1850 – 1919 EDWARD HULL 1853 – 1922
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31 Jan 2013 20:51 |
Matthew Hull Birth 28 July 1810 in St Andrew, Auckland, Durham parents John Hull 1782 – Mary Elgee
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31 Jan 2013 20:56 |
It IS Oates on the image
1841 Census
Name: Isabella Cater [Isabella Oates] Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Gender: Female Where born: Durham, England Civil parish: St Andrew Auckland Hundred: Darlington (North West Division) County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Auckland Sub-registration district: Bishops Auckland Name Age Edward Cater 40 Labourer Isabella Cater 30 John Cater 4 Elizabeth Cater 2
Remember that the ages of the two adults could be as much as 4 years too young.
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31 Jan 2013 20:59 |
Thank you all for the above. Isabella was a widow when she married Matthew, she was married to Edward Oates who died. John and Mary are Matthew's parents. I am always very cautious about Ancestry trees because most of the ones I look at are mostly wrong. Thnaks again. :-) I will keep looking for them in 1841.
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31 Jan 2013 21:00 |
from www.familysearch.org/
Matthew Hull, "England, Marriages, 1538–1973 "
groom's name: Matthew Hull groom's birth date: groom's birthplace: groom's age: bride's name: Isabella Oates bride's birth date: bride's birthplace: bride's age: marriage date: 03 May 1845 marriage place: St. Helen'S Auckland, Durham, England groom's father's name: John Hull groom's mother's name: bride's father's name: William Davison bride's mother's name: groom's race: groom's marital status: Widowed groom's previous wife's name: bride's race: bride's marital status: Widowed bride's previous husband's name: indexing project (batch) number: M01233-4 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1894174 reference number: cn 273 p137 Citing this Record
"England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NNVC-CVZ : accessed 31 Jan 2013), Matthew Hull and Isabella Oates, ; citing St. Helen'S Auckland, Durham, England, reference cn 273 p137; FHL microfilm 1894174.
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31 Jan 2013 21:01 |
Marian
you are quite right to be wary of ancestry trees .......... but you can always use them as a guide!
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31 Jan 2013 21:03 |
Sylvia, how on earth do you find these entries when they are so badly transcribed?
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31 Jan 2013 21:08 |
from familysearch
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Mary Ann Hull
christening 10 Mar 1846 St. Helen, Auckland, Durham, England residence Auckland-St. Helen, Durham, England parents Mattw. Hull, Isabella Oates
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31 Jan 2013 21:10 |
Do you have the 1861 and 1871 censuses?
1861 Census
Name: Matthew Hull Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Isabella Hull Gender: Male Where born: Bishop Auckland, Durham, England Civil parish: Auckland St Helen Ecclesiastical parish: St Helen Auckland County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Auckland Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland
Matthew Hull 50 Isabella Hull 48 John Oates 23 Stepson Mary Ann Hull 15 Isabella Hull 12 Matthew Hull 10 Edward Hull 8 William Bowes 23 Boarder
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31 Jan 2013 21:10 |
Marian
they are beautifully transcribed on family search!
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31 Jan 2013 21:13 |
1871 Census
Name: Mathew Hull Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Isabella Hull Gender: Male Where born: Newton Cap, Durham, England Civil parish: St Helen Auckland Ecclesiastical parish: St Helen Auckland Town: St Helen Auckland County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Auckland Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland
Mathew Hull 65 Groom Isabella Hull 58 Edward Hull 18 Machinist John E O Edmondson 4 Grandson William Shaw 19 Lodger Account Keeper
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31 Jan 2013 21:16 |
"England, Marriages, 1538–1973 "
groom's name: Edwin Clarke groom's birth date: 1852 groom's birthplace: groom's age: 24 bride's name: Isabella Hull bride's birth date: 1849 bride's birthplace: bride's age: 27 marriage date: 05 Nov 1876 marriage place: St. Helen, Auckland, Durham, England groom's father's name: William Clarke groom's mother's name: bride's father's name: Matthew Hull bride's mother's name: groom's race: groom's marital status: groom's previous wife's name: bride's race: bride's marital status: bride's previous husband's name: indexing project (batch) number: I05164-7 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1894175 reference number: p 34 Citing this Record
"England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NNVZ-9M7 : accessed 31 Jan 2013), Edwin Clarke and Isabella Hull, ; citing St. Helen, Auckland, Durham, England, reference p 34; FHL microfilm 1894175.
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31 Jan 2013 21:20 |
??????????? son Matthew's marriage????
"England, Marriages, 1538–1973 "
groom's name: Matthew Hull groom's birth date: 1851 groom's birthplace: groom's age: 20 bride's name: Elizabeth Holden bride's birth date: 1851 bride's birthplace: bride's age: 20 marriage date: 13 Feb 1871 marriage place: St. Helen, Auckland, Durham, England groom's father's name: Matthew Hull groom's mother's name: bride's father's name: Thomas Holden bride's mother's name: groom's race: groom's marital status: groom's previous wife's name: bride's race: bride's marital status: bride's previous husband's name: indexing project (batch) number: I05164-7 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1894175 reference number: p 217 Citing this Record
"England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NNVC-VZF : accessed 31 Jan 2013), Matthew Hull and Elizabeth Holden, ; citing St. Helen, Auckland, Durham, England, reference p 217; FHL microfilm 1894175.
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31 Jan 2013 21:22 |
??? Edward's marriage
"England, Marriages, 1538–1973 "
groom's name: Edward Hull groom's birth date: 1853 groom's birthplace: groom's age: 28 bride's name: Elizabeth Wright Rumford bride's birth date: 1858 bride's birthplace: bride's age: 23 marriage date: 08 Aug 1881 marriage place: Darlington, Durham, England groom's father's name: Matthew Hull groom's mother's name: bride's father's name: Cuthbert Rumford bride's mother's name: groom's race: groom's marital status: Single groom's previous wife's name: bride's race: bride's marital status: Single bride's previous husband's name: indexing project (batch) number: M00766-5 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1894190 reference number: p 201, no 401 Citing this Record
"England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NNVN-NXP : accessed 31 Jan 2013), Edward Hull and Elizabeth Wright Rumford, ; citing Darlington, Durham, England, reference p 201, no 401; FHL microfilm 1894190.
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31 Jan 2013 21:27 |
Thank you for the 1861/1871 census. I didn't have these. I've just realised I was looking at the wrong entry for 1881 because it says Isabel is a widow and that she was born 1825. I've now found the right entry and there is only Matthew and Isabella. :-)
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31 Jan 2013 21:35 |
It looks like John E O Edmondson is the child of Elizabeth Oates
Marriages Mar 1860 (>99%)
Edmondson John Auckland 10a 155 Oates Elizabeth Auckland 10a 155
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31 Jan 2013 21:38 |
The name(s) must be really badly transcribed on the 1841 ............ at least on ancestry.
There is just no sign of Matthew!
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31 Jan 2013 21:56 |
I may go to the local library at the weekend and trawl through all the Matthews , no surname, who knows, I might strike lucky :-)
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