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Charles Ernest Clark born c1883 was in the RMLI

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Kathryn

Kathryn Report 1 Feb 2013 20:00

Hello not sure if anyone can help please. I have this gentleman born I believe in 1883 and someone else believes he was born in Dehli, India. His father was Arthur Charles Clark a Labourer in 1910. I have this information about his father from Charles' marriage cert. He marries a lady who later married my grand uncle. When Charles married Jessie on 17 April 1910 at the register office in Medway, Kent their address is given as 42 St Peter Street, Rochester, Kent. Charles is given on the marriage cert as being a Private in the Royal Marines Light Infantry. Jessie then marries my grand uncle Arthur Neville John Bryant in 1922. On their marriage cert she is given as a widow. Charles was 27 when he married Jessie in 1910. Can't even find a death for Charles.

Can anyone please shed any light on this or perhaps where I might find some information on his record when he was in the Royal Marines.

Any help as ever is much appreciated.

Thank you

Kathryn

safc

safc Report 1 Feb 2013 20:06

????

name: Charles Ernest Clark
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 23 Jul 1882
baptism/christening place: Dalhousie, Bengal, India
birth date: 28 Jun 1882
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Arthur Clark
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Catherine
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C75028-8
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 510868
reference number:

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 1 Feb 2013 20:22

Marriages Jun 1910
CLARK Charles Ernest Medway 2a 1254
MORTON Jessie Amelia Medway 2a 1254


1911 England Census
Name: Jessie Amelia Clark
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Rochester, Kent
Civil parish: Rochester St Margaret
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Upper Providence Place, John Street, Rochester, Kent
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Medway
Registration District Number: 47
Sub-registration district: Rochester and Chatham
Piece: 3893
Household Members: Name Age
Jessie Amelia Clark 22 - married 1 yr, no children
Ada Maude Morton 19 - sister
Arthur John Mills 10 - adopted son
Charles Mills 6 - adopted son
Solomon Mills 5 - visitor

Charles was written in as head of household but is crossed out (Private R. Marine L.I., born India, British Subject) It is possible he was on duty that night. Jessie has signed the census but the information is by a different hand possibly Charles's.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 1 Feb 2013 20:33

Births Sep 1911
Clark Charles F M (Morton) Medway 2a 1421

jansmith

jansmith Report 1 Feb 2013 20:41

1911
??Given the parents names above this might be the family

Name:
Arthur Clark

Age in 1911:65 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1846
Head
Gender:
Male
Birth Place: Chelmesford, Essex
Civil parish:
Maldon All Saints and Maldon St Mary

County/Island:
Essex
Country:
England
Street Address:
No 7 North Street, Maldon, Essex

Marital Status:
Married

Occupation:
Labourers Farm & Army Pensioner

Registration district:
Maldon

Registration District Number:
196
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Name:
Catherine Clark

Age in 1911: 49 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1862

Relation to Head:
Wife
Gender:
Female

Birth Place Allahabad, India
Marital Status:
Married
Years Married 30 Estimated Marriage Year 1881

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name: Sidney Walter Clark

Age in 1911 23 Estimated Birth Year abt 1888

Relation to Head:
Son
Gender:
Male
Birth Place Peshawar, India
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Name:
Alexander Clark

Age in 1911 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head:
Son
Gender:
Male

Birth Place: Woodham Walter, Essex
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name: Dora May Clark

Age in 1911 12 Estimated Birth Year abt 1899
Relation to Head:
Daughter
Gender:
Female
Birth Place:
Woodham Walter, Essex
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Name:Constance Mabel Clark

Age in 1911: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Relation to Head:
Daughter
Gender:
Female

Birth Place:
Woodham Walter, Essex


Kathryn

Kathryn Report 1 Feb 2013 20:42

Oh my goodness, how clever are you, I would spend an age and probably still not find this information. Thank you so so much. Do you think Charles' parents were Indian? Also you mention the Mills children in the 1911 census as being adopted but the last child Solomon is given as a visitor. I must look now on the census again to see if it gives any further mention of these children. I'm amazed at the information you've found. I can put this in my tree now, but my fuller tree is on Ancestry. I know you have found a lot for me but would it be too much please to ask if you could look for a death for me for Charles. Also is there somewhere I can look to see if the whole family came to England from India?

Kind regards

Kathryn

Mike *

Mike * Report 1 Feb 2013 20:45

have editted ....To make it easier to read

1911

Sidney Walter Clark
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Peshawar, India <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil parish: Maldon All Saints and Maldon St Mary
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: No 7 North Street, Maldon, Essex
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Labourers Farm
Registration district: Maldon

Arthur Clark 65 - Chelmesford, Essex
Catherine Clark 49 -Allahabad, India
Sidney Walter Clark 23 -
Alexander Clark 14
Dora May Clark 12
Constance Mabel Clark 9


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Mother was Indian

Father born Essex

Married 30 yrs in 1911.
12 children born, 5 died


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jansmith

jansmith Report 1 Feb 2013 20:47

1901
Father and children. Father married and general farm lab.

Arthur C Clark 54
Annie Clark 22
George A Clark 15
Sidney W Clark 13
Catherine A Clark 9
Agnes M Clark 7
Alexander F Clark 3
Dora M Clark 1

jansmith

jansmith Report 1 Feb 2013 20:49

1911 mother was born in India

Kathryn

Kathryn Report 1 Feb 2013 21:02

Hi everyone, I thank you all so much, I never ever expected to get this much information being that the family were in India. This is really wonderful, I'm so grateful. If anyone finds anything else then please kindly contact me. I will be back and forth to my computer until around 10pm and then again tomorrow morning.

Once again, to all, thank you so much for your time, help and information provided.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Choccy

Choccy Report 1 Feb 2013 21:06



British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

Print Close First name(s): Arthur
Last name: CLARK
Calculated year of birth: 1846
Parish of birth: Springfield
Town of birth: Chelmsford
County of birth: Essex
Age at attestation: 18 years 2 months
Attestation date: 28 October 1864
Attestation corps: 60th Rifles
Attestation soldier number: 1606
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps:
Discharge soldier number:
The National Archives reference: WO97 / 2499 / 53



wife Catherine Roger - married on 1st June 1881 at Sanawan(?), East Indies

Children - Emma (5th Nov 1878), Charles E (28th June 1882), George Alfred (17th July 1885), Sidney Walter (15th Nov 1887), Frederick (30th December 1889 - died 1st June 1890)


Kathryn

Kathryn Report 1 Feb 2013 21:11

Thank you Choccy for this new information, it's amazing what can be found when one knows where to look.

Kind regards

Kathryn

safc

safc Report 1 Feb 2013 21:11

groom's name: Arthur Clark
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Catherine Rogers
bride's birth date: 1865
bride's birthplace:
bride's age: 16
marriage date: 14 Jun 1881
marriage place: Hasauli, Bengal, India
groom's father's name: John Clark
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: Charles Rogers
bride's mother's name:
groom's race: White
groom's marital status: Widowed
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race: White
bride's marital status: Single
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M75028-5
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 510865
reference number: Film 510-865

Choccy

Choccy Report 1 Feb 2013 21:13



Kathryn, I will forward the Army records of Arthur Clark to you by PM


Kathryn

Kathryn Report 1 Feb 2013 21:19

Hiya, all I can say once again is thank you so much to all. I know I keep repeating myself but this is all just wonderful information.

Thank you Choccy also, look forward to receiving the same.

Kind regards

Kathryn

jansmith

jansmith Report 1 Feb 2013 21:19

possible record info
from http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk if you think it could be him then you can download records for £3.36

.
Reference:ADM 159/54/322
Description:
Name Clark, Charles Ernest
Register Number: 11357
Division: Royal Marine Light Infantry: Chatham Division
When Enlisted/Date of Enlistment: 12 October 1899

Date: 12 June 1881
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record

jansmith

jansmith Report 1 Feb 2013 21:26

have you thought about this death?

Name:
Charles E Clark

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1883

Date of Registration:
Apr-May-Jun 1914

Age at Death:
31
Registration district:
Tonbridge
Inferred County:
Kent
Volume:
2a
Page:
912

Kathryn

Kathryn Report 1 Feb 2013 21:36

Hiya Jan, this may well be him as they were living in Kent when they got married and Jessie then went on to marry my grand uncle also in Kent. Well found, thankyou. It fits in between the dates he and Jessie married and Jessie marrying my grand uncle in 1922 when she is given as a widow.

Kind regards

Kathryn

jansmith

jansmith Report 1 Feb 2013 21:36

1901 not sure of parents relationship if any to your family but this looks like Arthur Mills in 1901?

Name:
Arthur Mills

Age:
6 Months
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1900
Relation:
Son
Father's Name:
William Mills
Mother's Name:
Mary Mills
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Rochester, Kent, England
Civil parish:
Rochester St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish:
Rochester St Margaret
County/Island:
Kent
Country:
England

Household Members:


William Mills 30
Mary Mills 25
William Mills 2
Arthur Mills 6 Months

Kathryn

Kathryn Report 1 Feb 2013 21:45

I'm not sure about the Mills children either but it definitely shows them on the 1911 census as being adopted and obviously looks like Charles and Jessie adopted them. This is a strange one. I have Charles and Jessie as having a couple of children, Charles Frederick Morton Clark (Morton was Jessie's maiden name) born 1911 and died 1993 and also a Kathleen L Clark born 1913 but I have nothing else on her though.

Sorry all but am getting really tired now, been a long and stressful week at work so am off to bed. I do appreciate all your help though. Will start again tomorrow but if anyone adds anything to this thread during the rest of the evening or during the night (I know how keen some of you are with your research), I will reply tomorrow morning.

Once again thanks to all.

Kind regards

Kathryn