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Looking fro an elusive TRACE....

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MrDaff

MrDaff Report 7 Feb 2013 22:08

SV - thank you very much - Traise is one of the variations I'm looking at too.
Def, I think, time to go to DRO when they open again! Interestingly, when searching around the Trace variations, Tozer's do crop up quite often as well....

Cheers,

Mr D :-D

SuffolkVera

SuffolkVera Report 7 Feb 2013 15:58

Don't know if you have already seen this but Ancestry has a Register of Duties Paid for Apprentices' Indentures and they are showing a John Traise, a cordwainer of Crediton, Devon, paying for an apprentice Thomas Tozer. The date is 5th August 1757. I wondered if this could possibly be your John Trace's father or some other relative.

Devon Record Office hold various parish records for Westleigh and Fremington. I've found them very helpful in the past so, as you have a rough date of birth, perhaps they would look for a possible baptism, although I expect there would be a charge. They are closed for stocktaking at the moment - I think they re-open on 15th Feb.

MrDaff

MrDaff Report 7 Feb 2013 11:37

Chris, thanks for that. I'll look again at this one. Initially I put it to one side because dob didn't match the age given on JT's gravestone - 82. But I didn't have the 'Lang' element in the Christian name before!!



:-)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 7 Feb 2013 08:46

http://www.devon.gov.uk/record_office.htm

(not sure if above would have details for places mentioned, not seeing anything online, unless anybody else can)

Chris :)

(below on Find my Past, not much help!)

Baptism
Forename(s):John Lang
Surname:Tracey
Year:1749
Month:May
Day:21
Father's Forename:
Mother's Forename:Margaret
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Dedication:Charles
Place:Plymouth
County:Devon
Page:140
Archive Ref:167/3
Notes:
Record source:Baptism Register - Transcripts
Data provider:Plymouth & West Devon Record Office Collection



TRACE, John - 1754-1823 Sydney. Convicted at Exeter in 1786 for theft of 20 pounds of mutton. Married Mary A Rose in 1790 at Parramatta. Mary was a convict who arrived on Lady Juliana. Child: George b1796. Mary married James Knight in 1824 at St Phillips Sydney. James arrived as a convict on the General Hewitt in 1814. Child: Charles E c1833.


http://www.australian-english-genealogy.com/Charlotteconvicts%202.html

MrDaff

MrDaff Report 6 Feb 2013 21:41

Think I'll simplify ...

Looking for :

Any information on John TRACE born c.1741 in Devon, possible Westleigh or Fremington.

MAY be brother of Joseph TRACE (no dob) who married Susanna Lang in Fremington on 3 Apr 1769.

John was sentenced to deportation at Exeter Assizes - went off on 'First Fleet' to Oz, but I have that info.

Thanks !!

Mr D :-S

supercrutch

supercrutch Report 6 Feb 2013 20:16

Can anyone please help with MrDaff's first post on his tree?

Please, please,

Thanks

Sue

MrDaff

MrDaff Report 5 Feb 2013 14:45

Sorry if this is a bit 'long winded' :-S

I've started 're-looking' at Daff's trees, and have run into a void.....

There is a rellie (apparently) who was transported to Oz on the First Fleet. Him I can find in her notes, plus information post arrival to death. What I can't find, and Daff was sure about it though I can't find these notes, is the link to the rest of the tree i.e. details of this man prior to his trial in Exeter.

What I have on the elusive one:

John TRACE Tried at Exeter Assizes 23 Mar 1786 for stealing 30lbs of mutton. Received 7 years 'Beyond the Sea'.
He was an Ag Lab. Local newspaper at time of his trial - Exeter Flying Post (not researched yet).
Sailed for Botany Bay on the Charlotte in 1788.
Noticed by Governor Phillip, and a marriage was arranged with Mary ROSE, who had been imprisoned in Lincoln for theft. She sailed out on the Lady Juliana (arrived 1790).
(sources: Lincoln County Council, 'The Floating Brothel'. Convict Stockade, 1806-49 Convict Muster for NSW/Tasmania).

They married on 23 Aug 1790 at Parramatta, NSW.
He died 1 Jul 1823, Sydney, and was buried in the Elizabeth Street Burial Ground (also Devonshire Street Cemetry Records).
Mary remarried in Feb 1824 to a James Knight.
(Source: Convict Stockade website).
John & Mary had one son, George b.10 Aug 1796 in Prospect (BMD).

In 1792, John TRACE, along with two other convicts, John Baughan and Joseph Morley, received a grant of land in Prospect Creek/Hill. This was 50 acres which would fit with his being married at this time (source: Ryan RJ : Land Grants 1788-1809). It's not clear how long he worked they worked the land though.

John died in Sydney on 1 July 1823, aged 82. This is the first indication of his d.o.b (c. 1741).
(source: Aus BMD).

That bit's not too bad ..... what I can't find is anything about John Trace prior to his trial.

What I have for the UK Devon TRACE family is (Census/BMD records/Daff notes):

Joseph TRAISE (Fremington - nfi)
Married to Susanna Lang* (nfi)

(Two poss candidates for father of JT : Robert TRAISE (b 1704, m. 1729, both in Devon, or John TRACE m.1720 in Norfolk)*.

Son: John TRACE (also TRAISE/TRAIES) 1776-1844 (Westleigh) Died in Fremington.
m Elizabeth Drew 1773-1853 (death registered in Barnstaple)

They had:

John TRACE 1805 -1895 (Westleigh)
m Jane Mathews 1802-1877 (St Kew, Cornwall)
In 1851 they were living in Advent, Cornwall.
They emigrated to Ontario, Canada in 1862* with two sons, James and John (sigh..). Daughter, Ruth remained in Advent, Cornwall.

Thomas TRACE 1812-1879 (Westleigh)
m Thomasine* Tucker 1812-1872. (Westdown) Married in 1800. (Her name also seen as Fanny, Tamzya, Tamzzen, Tamsen and Samson).

This gives me lineage dates of:
?1704 : Robert TRAISE (who married in 1729 in Milton Abbot, Devon) OR
?17..: John TRACE (who married in 1720 in Swaffham, Norfolk)*

17?? : Joseph TRAISE / TRACE

1776: John TRACE

1805: John TRACE
1812: Thomas TRACE.

My first thought regarding John TRACE of Australian fame, is that his dob of c.1741 may make him the sibling of Joseph TRAISE. Considering the 'normal' size of the TRACE families around this period though, there would appear to me a number of 'gaps' anyway.

*Some of the information re the UK side of life, has also been documented in Public Trees by 'Elkington' (Devon TRACE) and 'Thiele' (Canadian link), most of which I've verified.

Any hints, clues, suggestions where else to look (I've been using IGI as well) etc will be gratefully accepted.

Mr D. :-D