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Ellen Richardson (Dublin) UPDATED

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Rose

Rose Report 5 Feb 2013 19:51

My mother in law is 91. Her mother died when she was only 2 and she would dearly like to know more about her and her family. She was called Ellen Richardson. I have both her marriage and death certificates She died in 1924 aged 26 and was married in August 1919 (as a spinster) to a David Oglesby. He was born in April 1899. The marriage certificate states he was a minor whilst she was of full age. Her father is given as Thomas Richardson, (a carman) and her address as Corporation Street. Despite all the records now available free to view online, including the 1901 and 1911 census, I can find no record of her birth/baptism or family details. Any help locating this birth/baptism or connections to her family would be gratefully received.

Rose

Researching in Dublin
Oglesby, McMahon, Richardson, Fay, Dalton, Halpin, Rooney

;-)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 5 Feb 2013 20:19

Who did your mother-in-law live with when she was a child please?

Where did her parents marry and who were the witnesses please?



Rose

Rose Report 5 Feb 2013 21:11

She lived with her father, as far as I know. He lived in Gloucester Place at the time of the marriage. He remarried in the late 1920s. The witnesses were a James Price and a Christina Ronan. Many thanks. Rose

Catherine

Catherine Report 5 Feb 2013 21:42

Did she have a middle name ?
Any siblings?
Could this be her in 1911?

1911 England Census about Ellen Joesphine Richardson
Name: Ellen Joesphine Richardson
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, Down, Ireland
Civil parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 21 Artillery Street, Horselydown S E
Occupation: TEA LABELER
Registration district: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Registration District Number: 24
Sub-registration district: St Olave
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 1863
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Henry Richardson 53 - Occupation: CARMAN (Birth Place: London)
Elizabeth Richardson 43 - Birth Place: Sheerness
Amelia Emma Richardson 18
William Stephen Edward Richardson 16
Florence Elizabeth Richardson 12
Ethel Lilian Richardson 7
Reginald Stanley Bailey 26
Henry Brown 35
Ellen Joesphine Richardson 14

EDIT:- NO you can eliminate this one as original states she was born , not in Ireland but in London.

safc

safc Report 5 Feb 2013 21:48

????

Ellen Richardson, "Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958"

name: Ellen Richardson
registration district: Trim
event type: BIRTHS
registration quarter and year: Apr - Jun 1898
estimated birth year:
age (at death):
mother's maiden name:
film number: 101067
volume number: 2
page number: 903
digital folder number: 4193981
image number: 00153
Citing this Record

Rose

Rose Report 5 Feb 2013 21:49

Hi Catherine,

Thanks for your reply. I know nothing else about Ellen. My mother in law believed she and her family were Dubliners but your census finding is interesting and would explain why I can't find her in Dublin. Many thanks.

Rose

Catherine

Catherine Report 5 Feb 2013 21:58

Looks as though he remarried just after the death of Ellen:-

Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958 about David Oglesby
Name: David Oglesby
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1925
Registration district: Dublin North
Volume: 2
Page: 318
FHL Film Number: 101575

Christina Barrett Jul-Aug-Sep 1925 Dublin North
Gerald Begg Jul-Aug-Sep 1925 Dublin North
Sarah Byrne Jul-Aug-Sep 1925 Dublin North
Kathleen Davern Jul-Aug-Sep 1925 Dublin North
Catherine Farrell Jul-Aug-Sep 1925 Dublin North
David Oglesby Jul-Aug-Sep 1925 Dublin North
Patrick Wade Jul-Aug-Sep 1925 Dublin North
William Wade Jul-Aug-Sep 1925 Dublin North

Catherine

Catherine Report 5 Feb 2013 22:10

I think the Ellen in the birth posted by safc died in infancy:-

Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958 about Ellen Richardson
Name: Ellen Richardson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1901
Death Age: 2
Registration district: Trim
Death Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 867
FHL Film Number: 101601

............and is therefore, not your Ellen?

Catherine

Catherine Report 5 Feb 2013 22:14

The Ellen Josephine Richardson in the 1911 census also married in 1919, but it doesn't look to be your Ellen as she married a Frank Pickering:-

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Ellen Josephine Richardson
Name: Ellen Josephine Richardson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Age: 23
Spouse Name: Frank Pickering
Spouse Age: 38
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Apr 1919
Parish: Horselydown St John
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Thomas Richardson
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Pickering
Register Type: Parish Register

Rose

Rose Report 5 Feb 2013 22:31

Thanks to you all. I think my best course would be to apply to the GRO in Dublin for a search. There is a 'female' Richardson at the right time or others with the wrong father's name, from what I could see, but I appreciate fresh eyes and any advice. Irish research is certainly better than it used to be but this birth/baptism is causing a problem.

Catherine, Yes he did remarry a Sarah Byrne. We know of this marriage and the subsequent children

Rose

Catherine

Catherine Report 5 Feb 2013 22:37

This is the nearest I can find:-

1911??

Richardson Cathrine 58 Female Head of Family Catholic Co Wicklow - Read and write - Married - 22 4 3
Cullen John 34 Male Son Catholic City of Dublin Licenced Car Man Read and write - Single - - -
Cullen Mary 30 Female Daughter Catholic City of Dublin Dressmaker Read and write - Single -
Richardson Theresa 17 Female Daughter Catholic City of Dublin -
Read and write - Single - - -

Richardson Ellen 12 Female Daughter Catholic City of Dublin
Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -

Ward Christy 22 Male Servant Catholic City of Dublin General Labourer Read and write - Single Deaf - - -
Mc Gurk Michael 22 Male Servant Catholic City of Dublin General Labourer Read and write - Single - -

............aged 12yrs. makes birth abt. 1899!

......also note the occupation of brother, or half brother, John is Carman!

Catherine

Catherine Report 5 Feb 2013 22:52

Same family in 1901, but Ellen is not with them and no sign of a husband (or father):-

Residents of a house 31 in Leinster Avenue (North Dock, Dublin)

Cullen Bridget 26 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Dublin Nurse Read and write - Not Married
Cullen Annie 23 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Dublin Jwllery Assistant Read and write - Not Married -
Cullen Mary 19 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Dublin Dressmaker Read and write - Not Married -
Cullen Kathleen 17 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Dublin Dressmaker Read and write - Not Married -
Richardson Lellie 10 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Dublin Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Richardson Catherine Richard 48 Female Head of Family Roman Catholic Dublin Dairy Properitor Read and write - Married -
Cullen John 25 Male Son Roman Catholic Dublin Carman Read and write - Not Married

Catherine

Catherine Report 5 Feb 2013 23:06

Sorry, can't see anything else.

Rose

Rose Report 13 Feb 2013 19:09

UPDATE
Many thanks to you all. I did look at Catherine's 1901 family but rootgatherer's question about the witness to the wedding has paid dividends. Christina Ronan, married by1901 was Christina Fay and when I asked my mother in law if she knew of any she said, "My grandmother was a Fay" which led to much trawling of the internet and baptisms fron the irishgenealogy site showing the mother's maiden name as Fay (and a sponsor as Ellen Fay), which fitted exactly with the following 1901 census family

4.4 Hill Street (Mountjoy, Dublin)
Richardson Maryann 3 Female Daughter Roman Catholic City of Dublin - Cannot read - - -
Richardson Thomas 35 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic City of Dublin Car Driver Read and write - Married -
Richardson James 13 Male Son Roman Catholic City of Dublin Scholar Read and write - - -
Richardson Patrick 8 Male Son Roman Catholic City of Dublin Scholar Read and write - - -
Richardson Mary 29 Female Wife Roman Catholic


Thomas Richardson was listed as a car driver (carman on marriage certificate). So I think although Ellen was Ellen when married and buried she was born as Maryann. No sign of any of them in 1911 though.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Rose

Researching in Dublin
Oglesby, McMahon, Richardson, Fay, Dalton, Halpin, Rooney